Asking for Proofs

Hi,

now im angry about this.... Why we only get 3 proof request if we still need to say why we want other ppl to send a proof picture?

It should be reason enough to ask for a proof if ppl beat your prooven score!

Also this: "hey this guy proof some scores in the past, just let him post" nonsence.

Its not like i think everyone is a cheater, but even good skilled Gamers (like zimer was) try to cheat if they can.

Just dont refuse proof askings on scores that looks like they just be posted to remove the first place Platin Medal...

Also: i always write the same if i send a proof request, so why this time they get refused? Its because different Score Mods see it and think totaly different about it?

Just dont refuse proof requests or increase the Number of only 3 per day... Even if i try to write more exactly why i want to see a proof, i cant send another and this: "why?" answer in the refused mail i got is useless, if i cant answer back...

I refused the proof request because there was no justification.

sry that i just write "i want to see a proof of that score"...

its not like i just choose random scores to be prooven. What you realy want to read if i request for a proof?

Its very easy to post a score and i dont think ppl like Emperor have problems to proof them. Other ppl like Ryuto BCL have the same score like me long time, still unprooven. Its not my fault if they no more visit vgr. (and he also dont have problems to proof scores)

But still its hard anoying if you ask for a proof request and if they are refused(its the first time), you lost your 3 post limit per day...

Undead :

sry that i just write "i want to see a proof of that score"...

its not like i just choose random scores to be prooven. What you realy want to read if i request for a proof?

I pretty much agree with you entirely. It's just required for us to refuse proof requests if there is no justification. But you're right : "what do we want you to add as justification" is not specified at all, and it's up to you xD

All in all, next proof request you want to do, just say something like "this score looks suspiciously good", or "can i see a proof of this score please" , that should work

Undead :

But still its hard anoying if you ask for a proof request and if they are refused(its the first time), you lost your 3 post limit per day...

Agreed. As far as I knew, the justification thing was required to avoid people spamming proof requests. But if there's already a limit for those, justification itself is just a bonus information (sometimes).

I like that you brought up this topic.

I haven't refused or accepted your requests but here's my opinion.

First off we can't see who is requesting, so we cannot ask for further details before accepting or refusing either.

There is a small team dealing with the proof (requests) of this site which in itself is enough but naturally there will be many games no proof admins have knowledge about.

There can easyly be a situation where the proof admin has to decide about a request where he neither knows the player who requested it, the game in question and got no specific reason for it.

This is why it is important that you provide us information about the proof request especially if it's about well respected players in the community.

STL is spot on.

Regarding justification, you have to at least give a reason. Think about it, "i want a proof" is not a reason

thats confuse me. So if i send a proof request, you dont see what Game/Gamer/Score are requested until you accepted/refuse it?

Hmm.. ok, then i will make nxt time more detailed infos.

I was just angry about this because its the first time my request was refused and i always use the same text. And with this, i found some more bad things(like the lost limited requests). So sry for my harch typing in this Thread.

thelegendarypsr :

STL is spot on.

Regarding justification, you have to at least give a reason. Think about it, "i want a proof" is not a reason

Exactly Thelegendarypsr. Or "Proof please" Gender is not a sufficient justification. It is better detail than just saying: "I want a proof. Thank you!"

Edit : I'll tolerate your requests tonight. But it should not be that it becomes repetitive. I understand that you have proven your proof and someone else evens you. Your new arguments remake me think of those Zimer. Not the same, but in this still.

Undead :

thats confuse me. So if i send a proof request, you dont see what Game/Gamer/Score are requested until you accepted/refuse it?

Hmm.. ok, then i will make nxt time more detailed infos.

We don't see the sender of the proof request. In this case, you. Just write a minimum reason and i'm pretty sure your request will be accepted next time.

If I don't have proofs here, check from Cyberscore. I haven't been active here for a long time, what I have updated some records, I have already removed pictures from computer, I'm totally unmotivated to find all those proofs again and send here, sorry...

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things like that can be really annoying.
proving is no obligation,
but telling a reason why you are requesting for a proof is.
in my opinion players should be allowed
to ask for proof anytime without reasons in cases like this.

And why not just telling this ? :

"This player just got the platinium with no proof when the 2nd has a proven score. I want to see if this score is possible. Thanks"

Shrou, we only get the username, game, record, reason. We don't see the ranking. Without a reason, we will refuse proof every time.

Djon :

And why not just telling this ? :

"This player just got the platinium with no proof when the 2nd has a proven score. I want to see if this score is possible. Thanks"

This is the same as "I want a proof"... which thelegendarypsr doesn't consider as a reason.

Guys, really. Sometimes, you don't have an actual detailed reason : you just saw someone beating your score, which you thought was good, and you'd like to see if it's not fake ! Simple as damn hell.

And yes, sometimes you do think something is not possible, and you do suspect some sort of cheating or something : in this case, yes, adding more details about how/what/why can help since, as pointed out by STL, not everyone has knowledge of every game.

If someone hasn't much a justification, I can also PM them about it before refusing/accepting the proof request. We're not dealing with thousands of those anyway right now. And if we were, welllll ... we won't, since there is a limit, so really, everybody need to use their common sense :

- proof requesters : encouraged to explain why they want a proof
- controllers : encouraged to ask for explanations if there aren't any.

Do i actually need to go into the FAQ for the site?

The Site :

How to ask a proof?
To ask a proof on a record, go to the same page on which you can edit or post a new record and to the right of the odd record, click on the little gray square. Then justify your asking for proof and send it!
To avoid spamming, you can only ask five proofs a day.

Key word - Justify.

Also, the "five a day" bit is wrong.

Arvain :

"This player just got the platinium with no proof when the 2nd has a proven score. I want to see if this score is possible. Thanks"
This is the same as "I want a proof"... which thelegendarypsr doesn't consider as a reason.

No it is not the same. The one Djon listed actually has a reason why there is a proof request. Just saying "I want a proof" has no reason for proving it.

I disagree with you Arvain, you do have to have some sort of reason for proof calling players, even if it's as little as "i don't think this score is possible"

Any variation of:
"I want a proof because...insert reason here"
"insert reason here"
"this score isn't real because...insert reason here"

Will get accepted by me.

Any variation of:
"Proof"
"Proof please"
"I want a proof"

Will get refused by me. and it should be the same for all the proof admins because that's what the site says

The "five a day" bit is wrong, and the "justify" bit is subjective as hell.

I understand your variation thing, but you don't realize how easy it is to disguise one into another

Some noob can easily request a proof, disguising his "omg noway proof now!" with something along the lines of "i want a proof because my score isn't beatable since i spent a lot of time on it and i'm good at it"...

I have personally experienced this in the past : all the proof requests against me were accepted, because my scores were so-called "impossible"... you'd think it's a good reason......... except they were more than possible, and at times not even optimal ! He just knew nothing about the game ! How's that for "helping controllers who don't know every game"

Anyway, I'm just showing it's very easy to change "proof / proof please / i want a proof" into a dumbly generic reason you would have to accept. Refuse something if you want, but the proof request will come back 5 minutes later with a variation you'll have to accept And since you, as a controller, don't always know everything about the game either, you can also easily be tricked into thinking the reason is a good one, when it's actually inaccurate/not valid.


Also, last point I want to make : sometimes I'm just very impressed by someone beating my score (on a game I'm good at, of course, not SSBM for example xD I'm terrible at it), and I would simply like to verify if I'm right to be impressed, or if some fool is trying to fake. Isn't that a good enough reason ?

TL;DR : let's agree on disagreeing.

Mettons les choses au clair :

Quand quelqu'un doute d'un score d'un joueur, il ressens le sentiment de lui demander une preuve pour la valider, parce qu'il a fait les essais ou bien le record dépasse largement tous ses concurrents. En plus de ne pas avoir rien prouvé sur un jeu qui demande du réflexe en masse avec les doigts, on doit se croiser les pouces et ne pas demandé une dizaine de preuves sur des milliers par prétexte que l'autre se fâche. Voyons! Il n'a rien de dramatiser pour autant. On a tous le droit de douter et de se tromper.

Quand je demande à quelqu'un une preuve, ce n'est pas par hasard. Je veux voir une trace de ses exploits. Parce que tous ses records sont à la fois impressionnant et dépasse tout ce qu'on peut imaginer. Peut-être que les autres joueurs de la même nationalité te connait, mais pas le reste du monde.

Je pense que tu as beaucoup à apprendre Arvain. Ça ne fait pas longtemps que tu es contrôleur ici et tu crois tout savoir. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec la majeure partie de ce que tu dis. Thelgendarypsr et STL sont les mieux placés pour juger des preuves cohérents ou non. Tu es peut-être le meilleur joueur français des Guitar Hero, mais sûrement pas le mieux placé pour juger une demande de preuve injustifiée.

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Let's get this clear:

When someone doubt a player score he feel the sense of asking for a proof to validate , because he did the tests or the record well above its competitors . In addition to failing to prove anything on a game that requires reflex mass with fingers , one must cross the thumbs and does not ask ten thousands evidence by claiming that the other is angry . See ! It has nothing to dramatize provided . Everyone has the right to doubt and be wrong.

When I ask someone to proof , it is not by chance. I want to see a trace of his exploits. Because all records are both impressive and beyond anything you can imagine. Maybe the other players of the same nationality knows you , but not the rest of the world.

I think you have a lot to learn Arvain . It was not long ago that you're controller here and you think you know everything. I do not agree with most of what you say . Thelgendarypst and STL are best placed to judge consistent evidence or not. You might be the best French player of Guitar Hero, but certainly not the best judge of unjustified demand proof.

Undead : Will you always asked for proof to those who you have equal? I am not surprised that you request a proof here with Emperor as justification: "I want proof."

http://www.vgr-fr.com/Donkey-Kong-Country-DK-Attack-Best-Score-Gorilla-Glacier-Torchlight-Trouble-record-r128175.html

This request is not justified. However, someone has accepted.

the one thing you are missing Lucario is: i always sended proofs request with this text in the past and it never was refused.

Now im reading here i must have a good reason to ask for a proof request(what im doing now) and all is fine.

Im not sure how happy you are if someone beat your score like Emperor did and he(like he say) is not motivated to proof it. So im also not motivated to look on another Highscore site to check his scores. vgr is the point, not Cyberscore.

And about reasons: for me its a good reason to ask for a proof if im doing the same. I would understand it if someone ask for a proof but he also never proof anything.

reasons like: "this score is not possible" are not realy helpfull(and most time its just a typo) and in the most part its rare that i think the score is not true.

and btw @Emperor: i know you are a skilled Gamer, but what site you like more? vgr or Cyberscore? If both, then you should also prooving your scores on boths sites. I still have every score picture i posted on my Computer. I have no idea why you delete your pictures after uploading (its called backup)

Undead :

and btw @Emperor: i know you are a skilled Gamer, but what site you like more? vgr or Cyberscore? If both, then you should also prooving your scores on boths sites. I still have every score picture i posted on my Computer. I have no idea why you delete your pictures after uploading (its called backup)

BTW : VGR have a system for exporting all proof (pics and vids) from the site to your computer. See "camera picture" in menu = "My proof" = "Export my proof" .
Maybe Cyberscore has same, dunno...

shrouwehkuggah :

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things like that can be really annoying.
proving is no obligation,
but telling a reason why you are requesting for a proof is.
in my opinion players should be allowed
to ask for proof anytime without reasons in cases like this.

I agree this: I accept proofs asks with a minimum of explanations in this specific case.

thelegendarypsr :

Shrou, we only get the username, game, record, reason. We don't see the ranking. Without a reason, we will refuse proof every time.

Let's precise that controllers can see the ranking if we click on the link of the record. It's not written directly, but c'mon, it's just 2 seconds to do it...
I always check this first, before any explanation.
It will be better if every controller do like me, but that's not the case apparently.