[admin] 0:00 on Ocarina of Time races

There have been a couple of submissions of 0:00 on the obstacle course race recently.

I don't know how they're doing it (probably a glitch) but it's making a mockery of the whole thing. Providing a screenshot is no good, it doesn't provide proof of the method.

Can we get these taken off? I'm getting sick of things like this.

That's Mimo for you ;)

Emperor did it first, didn't he?

No. Btw Mimo posted on both version, when will it finally be fusioned? =P

For me, 0:46 must be the 1st.

Indeed Djon and it is first on CS ;)

It's the same things on Super Mario 64 with players who have more coin that it's possible, using a glitch to create coin.

On CS on this 2 games the chart is clean, but on VGR there are many glitch
that kill the competition

I ask to create a maximum on this chart
Ex :
Ranch Lon Lon Race -> 0:46 is the best, so no one can post 0:45 or 0:00
Super Mario 64 - Bob-omb field -> 146 is the best, so we must delete 255 or other cheat

Yes i agree that the glitches should be banned, but VGR never has rules.

Agreed.

Cough, I did it first for GC version X(
But at very first Majora MIM and Atomiks did it for 3DS version.

I'm sorry, those 0 sec runs suck, but tried it just for fun/boredom when tried swordless link glitch. That's not really any record and it should be banned, when race start, just play sun song, you skip whole race and get epic 0 sec time, but because site allow this, whatever, do it if you care ;)

I agree that 46 should be max for all versions ;)

Bump.


I'm waiting a decision from VGR Staff on the Ocarina of Time races record.

To resume : with a Glitch you can have 0 sec for the record. But you never do the \"race\" so you don't do a record in fact. If you done 0 sec in race it's like you do nothing, so it's not a record no ?

46 sec is the true best time on this charts.

I am agree, glitch to do 0 sec are forbidden.
We will do a news for that game and records with glitch will be deleted.

magicbart :

I am agree, glitch to do 0 sec are forbidden.
We will do a news for that game and records with glitch will be deleted.

Des fois je me demande si tu lâches juste des phrases comme ça ou s'il y a vraiment une réflexion derrière. Rien que ta première phrase (I agree, pas I am agree déjà ) implique des changements importants et non pas que sur ce jeu.
De plus, ce n'est pas une news seule mais une règle qu'il faut si tu décides quelque chose de ce genre.

Bref, j'aurai bien aimé te parler sur MSN mais je ne te vois pas ces derniers temps


Sorry for using french, I wanted to explain to bart what his words will lead to.
We allowed glitch like that because without a video you cannot trust anyone.
Afterwards, anybody will do your \"46\" max but how you'll be sure he didn't use the glitch?

As long as we didn't have a state \"video proof only\" for a chart I'm truly against a change like that.

I think that if you use the glitch you can only make \"0\" but i'm not sure, ask to Hikari please.

So we no need video proof for this record.

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Sinon la c'est pas un Glitch pour faire un meilleur temps genre raccourci je sais pas quoi, si ça donne juste un temps de zéro c'est différent. Je ne sais pas si il y a d'autres records comme ça sur d'autres jeux..

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I apologise for asking in this topic, but it was brought up earlier and I'm wondering about clarification. If you want me to create a different topic for it, I will.

Djon :

It's the same things on Super Mario 64 with players who have more coin that it's possible, using a glitch to create coin.

I ask to create a maximum on this chart
Ex :
Super Mario 64 - Bob-omb field -> 146 is the best, so we must delete 255 or other cheat

This comment here about Mario 64 and the coins. Are the Mario 64 games going to fall into the same ruling as the Zelda records? Do we \"cap\" the records at the universally agreed \"max\" and not allow the coin glitch?

Create a new topic for mario coin max because it's different for me.

Because the glitch in zelda make you don't \"race\" just do a fake time of \"0\". and by definition a race can't during 0 second. That's the problem.

But i think VGR must adopt the universal max, but we allow glitch so it's difficult..

Why aren't we banning all glitches then, like on the mario kart series? You cannot simply ban a glitch on 1 game and allow even more silly glitches on other games..

@Djon: Your score depends about when you do the glitch. If you do it at 0:00, your time will be 0:00, so you can also do it at 0:46, and your time will be 0:46.

Hikari :

@Djon: Your score depends about when you do the glitch. If you do it at 0:00, your time will be 0:00, so you can also do it at 0:46, and your time will be 0:46.

Mmmh okay.. So now it's to the staff to make a decision about this

Division X :

Why aren't we banning all glitches then, like on the mario kart series? You cannot simply ban a glitch on 1 game and allow even more silly glitches on other games..

I suppose the issue depends on the \"strength\" of the glitch really. In the case of this one, the glitch is the entire length of the record. This isn't fair on any of the players with legit times, especially those who have the legit WR.

Mario 64(sorry to bring this game up again)  - This category is another example. There are many players with legit scores, and this is considered the max. It could take a player a couple of hours to get to 141, all Zimer** has to do is **** about with a box for a few minutes and beat the max. The glitch has a huge effect on the record

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye are perfect example of the opposite. They have glitches but do not have a huge effect on the record(it's possible to do those glitches and get worse times depending on the strength of the player)

Like djon said, it's up to the mods, I came up with the above post just as I went out and have only just got back in

**I used Zimer as my example because it's his platinum