First Place Platin Medal System

I ask to modify the Platinium system of VGR.

In addition of this idea :
http://www.vgr-fr.com/Aprooving-of-First-Place-Platin-Medal-scores-forum-t5278-p1.html

What do you think of : Having 3 members on the record to get the platinium. Because now, you just need to have a game with a newbie guy with around 500~ records to go in the top 100 medals. Not very relevant to my opinion..

What if there was 3 newbies, maybe we should go up to 5 before getting a platinium.
Seriously, with all this, we are just taking the fun out of the site. Next we will need to have a witness with us.

I'm disagree !
There's records where I have passed some hours and we are only 2. If we need a third player to get a platinium, it's like if I had worked for nothing.

It's a suggestion.
I would like to know how many % of platinium are on 2 players charts.. I'm pretty sure it's more than 50% and it's too much for me.

Why for nothing ? Gold medals is a reward as well

There are some games with some friendly competitions between the players, and others where you feel like some spies are all over you for prooving and explaining.
It's only a suggestion you are making, but my opinion is that the player should have fun and stop trying to find bugs where there are none.

Edit: forcing members to prrove is not a good thing for me, we lose some player with this. The main reason why proving is here should be to find cheaters, and we are already making a nice job out of this with guys like Prenz and a lot of others who easily spot those cheaters.

All you said is true, you are right.

But for me now, we have a problem that looks like the over points given on maxable score in the past.

we had this problems before the platinium and most agreed that the platinium system would be perfect, but if we go with 3 members, then some will ask for 5, then 10...
why not add super platinium for scores with 10+ players... I don't to fall to low in sarcasm, but I think this as to stop somewhere. If you ask for 2 members, it's easy to create a false friend account to post low scores on game yo are the only player. Any system willl have ways to go around it, and every system will have people that don't like it. But we can't change every six month. The formula is a lot better than before, and the platinium system as some nice point (I still would like to comme back to gold medal ranking...)

I disagree with this as well but, to be honest, I don't think many members take the medal system too seriously anyway, and that points is more highly recognised. A problem we have is that, despite it's flaws, no one really wants a change to the points system, while the platinum system comes under debate an awful lot. Granted, that's by users who think a change to the system will propel them to the top(and trust me Djon, that's aimed at a different user, not you ), and not by users who take the site seriously

Zimer. :

I don't like this idea.
I prefer Undead's idea.

Undead's idea doesn't force the player to prove the score.
Simple words:
* Untied non proven chart with minimum 2 players = gold medal
* Untied proven chart with minimum 2 players = platinum medal

Extra details:
* 2 or more tied gold scores but only one proven = platinum medal.
* 2 or more tied gold scores, 2 or more proven = gold medal.

that idea seems acceptable. Even if for me,the platinium medal chart would have less meaning. But I still would be comfortable with this.

No prob' psr, it's just a way of reflexion to improve the representation of the top general medals (which anyway is not on my goal )

I am open to discuss about the Platin Medal System.
So we can discuss and take a decision a the begining of the next year.

Hi!
I'm totally against the proove system for platinum, or maybe it's too late.
What about old users ? ... What about the user who was only in a chart, and 5 years later a man arrives and post a worse record ? You have a silver, the 1st is a faker ... or games where we can't take a picture.

But a third player would be interesting ;)

Thanks,
33T.

Yes 33Tails, maybe it's too late for the proof rules..
magicbart can you give to us the % of platinium on 2 players charts, easily ?

si on prend les membres du top 5 médailles et qu'on regarde le nombre de platines qu'ils ont où il n'y a que deux membres, et le pourcentage que représentent ces \"platines à 2\" sur leur total de platines, on obtient:
Arvain: 1763 sur 6107 => 29%
yicestmoi : 1489 sur 5247 => 28%
33Tails : 1060 sur 4100 => 26%
Flothaboss: sur 859 sur 3936 => 22%
narutokyuby: 1424 sur 3241 => 44%

je pense que le pourcentage global du site doit se situer dans ces eaux là, autour de 30%, et puisque nous avons tous sensiblement le même, le fait de passer à 3 ne servirait en fait pas à grand chose...
ça resserrerait les écarts, mais ils seraient plus difficiles à combler par la suite.
par contre, effectivement, si le pourcentage global du site tourne autour de 70/80% de \"platines à 2\", alors là oui, il serait judicieux de passer à 3, mais dans l'ordre actuel des choses, ce n'est pas d'actualité.

Tu parles juste des 5 premiers, tu crois que c'est vraiment pareil pour le reste des membres niveau % ?

C'est vrai que si il est situé vers 30% globalement c'est bon. Mais si on atteint même déjà 50% il faudrait peut-être y réfléchir.

je vous donne la pourcentage exact ce lundi

Donc
Il y'a 248360 records
Parmi ces records 22892 ont exactement 3 membres, soit soit 9.22 %
Parmi ces records 33929 ont exactement 2 membres, soit soit 13.66 %
Parmi ces records 51157 ont seulement 1 membre, soit 20.6 %

Pour résumer, 20.6 % ont seulement 1 membre, 34.26 % ont au plus 2 membres et 43.48 % ont au plus 3 membres.

Edit : j'ai oublié les 77000 records sans post, je vous laisse faire le calcul

that's why i even more want a proof system for Platin Medals for all lazy Highscore Gamer.

Its interessting that you guys think about ppl they use \"fake\" Accounts or friends to get a platin medal. But is this option more \"important\" as the question: proof Platin Medals yes or no, because thats maybe \"never exist\" scores?

And i say it again: who cares about inactive Highscore Gamer without proof? If they never come back to look at it, then they don't care anymore about losing a Platin Medal.

btw. Example: some ppl think about Highscores without save function or forgot to make a Picture. Ok, let us say someone post a score of an NES Game(maybe a max. 999.999 score), after he put the Console off, the Score is lost(like never happen). Noone say he need a proof to post his score. But then someone come a ask for a proof.
What will happen?
That will happen: the Guy with the score MUST do the same score again to proof it or his score will be deleted.
So why you think its a good idea to post a score without having a proof if you must do it again?

I still say some ppl here (you can choose who i mean) are realy to lazy to proof scores. Because its \"work\" after a score. But realy: is it not sometimes \"work\" too to get a max score/best time?

I just feel some ppl thinking after post a score without proof: \"trust me or shut up\" or \"i hope noone ask for proof\" because if you play the same Game you CANT ignore this \"better\" score. So what you think should the guy with \"lower\" score do then? Trust it and \"waste hours/days to beat this (maybe fake) score?

Sure its the way i thinking, make my \"work\" for prooving every score in the past so ppl never can think \"hes a cheater/faker\" but realy: what you guys think if i completly stop prooving scores and post 100 or 1000 new Platin scores? Yes you would ask me for proofs ;) (and thats actually happen after i post 1! Super Mario 64 coin score and forgot to send my picture after 1! day delay...)

And that some ppl know it: yes i got some Platin scores back after ppl beat my score but never come back to proof his score.

Si j'ai bien compris :

-248360 première place (gold ou platine) soit 29% de l'ensemble des scores postés sur VGR
-197203 platines dont 33929 sur des scores avec seulement 2 joueurs soit 17,21% des platines.

C'est bien ça ?

Undead :

And i say it again: who cares about inactive Highscore Gamer without proof? If they never come back to look at it, then they don't care anymore about losing a Platin Medal.

While an interesting point, a user shouldn't be punished just because he is no longer with the site for whatever reason. Take packattack on SMG 2 for example. He hasn't proven his scores here, yet if there is a \"proof for platinum\" system here, his score would be worthless. Yet those scores can be proven from a different site, but because they aren't proven here they aren't worth anything.

I still say some ppl here (you can choose who i mean) are realy to lazy to proof scores. Because its \"work\" after a score. But realy: is it not sometimes \"work\" too to get a max score/best time?

That might be because the majority of players here play games for fun, and records are something you happen to get as a secondary purpose. yes, I can never be bothered to prove the majority of my records, but I can do if I wanted to. But I play for fun, because playing for records for this site almost killed my enjoyment of games altogether.

I think a change to the medal system...AGAIN...would result in the site not being taken seriously, the current ranking system especially when some users are wanting a change because they (wrongly) think it will put them top of the rankings(even though they left the site because of the system being implemented to begin with )