[admin] [Heads up] Future MKSC / GBA PRs likely to be recorded via emulator

Just giving a heads up that my future MKSC videos will be recorded with an emulator. They will not be performed via emulator, just recorded for higher quality videos (like cstrakm's runs).

Just a heads up for future reference so people aren't confused and thinking that I'm using emulator.

Cheers,
Hahaae

Hi Hahaae! No problem with that!
I also use it on Mario Kart DS, with "DesmuME_x432", wich can make my run on a DS game looks as good as  a PC game :p

How can that possibly be an acceptable form of proof?

Because the people making the runs are trustworthy people who aren't going to cheat on the game. For example, I have been competing in high-level MKSC for roughly 4 years now. I want better quality videos than some shaky-cam shit. The top players in MKDS have all been doing the same thing for several years now.

So it's alright for you to use an emulator because you're "trustworthy"? Sounds ridiculous, no one should be able to get special treatment.

If you don't want shaky cam videos, get the appropriate equipment like everyone else.

Well, whether you like it or not, it's what I'm going to do for future videos, for the sake of not having to record it twice, once for this site, and another for YouTube. People have been doing it for a long time.

Well, you might be able to show the strats via the video. You should not be able to use that as actual proof though. The proof SHOULD come from the actual game, in the form of a picture or a video. There's no reason that an emulator recording should be allowed in this case. I'm siding with Ben here.

There's no reason one should be allowed to do this just to say that you can have a certain amount of "proven" records so that you can continue submitting. There's no justification plausible to allow the breaking of one of the main rules. None whatsoever.

Well it's what I'm going to do regardless. If the people on the site dislike it, then they can remove me. I already have to record and upload basically every MKSC PR that I get now (since most of my PR's are WRs), and I will not be going through the trouble of recording every run twice just for the sake of uploading a shit-quality video to this site, with it's already-slow uploading mechanism.

Mandalore :

How can that possibly be an acceptable form of proof?

It's one rule for one and a different rule for others.

Site rules -- article 5

The following things are prohibited:
...
Emulators
...

It doesn't say "the following things are prohibited, but with exceptions"

Basile, those are the site rules. Not mine, not Mandalore's, not hahaee's, the site. Vivien has stated before the site rules cannot be broken for anything. If anything, hahaee saying "I'm going to break the site rules, tough shit to anyone who disagrees" should be met with some penalties. Hahaee's morals on the site have been questionable before(creating multiple accounts to boost posts on a game) so there should be some penalty, not him being told breaking the rules is acceptable

I'd like to point out that I never made multiple accounts to boost points for a game. The accounts of the Japanese players on the MKSC game charts were made after I asked the respective players if they wanted to be on the charts, then asked on these forums if it was alright. I was given the "okay" to do so. You're talking out of your ass about something you know nothing about.

Lol, the fact is you shouldn't have been allowed to do it, there is no reason to create accounts for other people. This time, you are actually breaking the rules. Don't get me wrong, you have proven yourself with your records but, again, the site rules state emulators are not allowed at all.

You are choosing to break the rules of the site(forget what basile says, vivien has stated before that the site rules overrule everything), you are not being forced to and you are talking out of your ass whenever you think it is ok.

Don't bother responding, i will only quote this message in response, if acknowledge it at all

This site continues it's sharp decline.

I guess you're missing the fact that the runs will still be played on my GBA, as always. I'm just choosing to record with something better than a shitty iPhone camera. Players for games like MKDS have been doing this for years.

This wouldn't even be an issue if this site didn't have that ridiculous rule of needing to have a proof for every new site record. That's fucking retarded, especially for people like me on MKSC, where essentially every PR is a new WR (and let's not forget that there are 80 of them). I'm not going to sit here and record every PR I get twice, once for YouTube, and another in shit quality for this site when nobody here is even going to watch it (not being able to link to YouTube is fucking retarded, btw), especially since this site's video uploader is god awful and literally takes me 1-4 hours for nearly every video.

And on a final note, how about you get off your high horse bullshit saying that I have "questionable morals." In 2011 when I joined this site, MKSC had essentially no rankings for SC records, as the MKSC Player's Page only allowed times that were non-SC and adhered to a specific set of rules at the time. So I asked some of the top Japanese players if they would like to join the site, and the ones who were on-board with joining, I added. I did it for them because they were Japanese and did not know any English, let alone any French. Again, I PM'd some of the upper management of VGR about it and they were perfectly fine with it after I explained the situation. Since 2013, the MKSC Player's Page revamped its charts to include SC records, and so I have used this site less for both my own PR's and the Japanese players' records, as I have no need for this site to keep a ranking of my SC records anymore (and updating PR's here has always been a pain in the ass). I broke absolutely no rules, so don't even try to pretend like I did. If anything I helped the site by not only helping to make the rankings more accurate, but searching through basically every course record for every track in an effort to detect fake times, since apparently the people at VGR can't do that themselves.

First of all, the multiple account problem isn't the topic here. Here is about a fatc that Hahaae only wants to use an emulator ONLY for proof. As this is questionable, a question about the ability to do such things can be asked here.

My first thought was absolutly not, because on my mind, emulators can be used to do more than video proofs and if cheat stuff is done on emulator, it can be hard to see even on video in these cases.
So let's say it's forbidden for now. Maybe we can try to see if some emulators are able to do videos with no doubt of cheating stuff activated, and if some of them exists, a list of exception will be created in the rules and so could be used only for recording videos.

Is this ok for everyone?

Hahaee, i never questioned the  validity of your records. Ever. I even pointed out that i trust you as a player(go on, look it up). The site says emulators are forbidden. It doesn't say what you can and can't use them for, it says you can't use them here at all. You were wrong to ask. Basile was wrong to say yes. You don't need to tell me about your PRs and WRs, you proved yourself a long time ago(as i have said).

And don't get me started on the stupid new ruling, I have been against it from the beginning but just because undead whined endlessly it had to be brought in

niconoe :

Is this ok for everyone?

I don't think it should even warrant consideration. Legitimate means of recording good quality GBA videos exist without the need to resort to emulators.

By allowing unofficial emulators even in very rare circumstances, you will be bringing the web site into disrepute.

What about the Idea of using an Game Boy Player and record it with an Grabber/Capture Card? Emulator is mostly the easy way, but if you realy want to do this just because you want a better Quality of your GBA Videos, then pay for it. (same situation like if you want to play a Game, you must buy it first)

Im atm in the situation of how i can record my Gameplay with Original Hardware, so i tried a little bit what is possible.

Look here my test Videos for N64 and GC on Original Hardware:

Mario Kart 64 Test Video (small waring, the Video Sound is a bit to high)

GC Test Video F-Zero GX

and i think this will work with the Game Boy Player too.

The problem I have with the Game boy Player is that it has that weird background thing and the frame rate feels sub optimal. It's definitely not smooth, and would only allow me to record my ghosts, whereas transferring data from the GBA to an emulator to record would allow me to easily record ghosts that I don't have a saved one for (MKSC only allows you to save 10 ghosts... There are 40 tracks). I could also back up my ROM to an external hard drive, so if the cartridge were to lose all of its data for no reason (a phenomena that has already happened to another top MKSC player), I would still have the save.

I'm also not pirating anything. I already have the game. 3 copies of it.

The furthest I may venture from recording with an emulator is using a DD Capture Card. I don't like this idea as much though because it forces me to play on a DS, and I have set almost every PR with a GBA SP. They don't feel anything the same.