Hill Climb Racing - No boosters rule

Hello, everyone.

With VGR V7 we can now add rules for each game if nessessary and back in 2019 I requested a rule for Hill Climb Racing, that boosters would not be allowed. 

When this game was added to VGR, this game had no boosters. All the records were made without them. It wasn't until years later, when boosters were added to the game with an update. (v.1.32.1 16th March 2017). Pretty much allowing previously maxed scores to be beaten. You buy boosters with diamonds, which you can collect slowly or buy with real money. Game allows maximum of 10x boosters per try costing 1650 diamonds. To me it brings unnessesary grinding to the game = waste of time, when you can have perfectly good competition without them. In latest versions you can easily see at the end screen how many boosters were used and take a proof pic.

Since we couldn't have this rule on the game page before V7, some players have posted scores made with boosters. 
You can leave a comment what you think about the rule? Agree or disagree? Should it be removed?

I myself have done all my 961 scores without boosters and spend hundreds of hours playing the game. I have pretty much 0 interest replaying everything with boosters and spend even more time collecting millions of diamonds. It's just not fun.

I think majority of the scores in VGR are done without boosters, but majority of the players are not active anymore. So we won't be getting everyones opinion, but hopefully some will give theirs.

hey,

For my part I disagree with this rule because Hill Climb Racing is a grinding game : imagine you just start the game for the first time by seeing it on vgr, to be competitive you already need to farm a lot of hours just to buy all the vehicles and maps and then you have to upgrade all the vehicles which take a lot of time too.

So I don't see the point of removing boosters that can help new players be competitive on the game faster and for player that already maxed everything on the game to push the limit further and it's ridiculous compared to the time grinding to max the game.

So if you really want to retire unnessesary grinding to the game, then remove boosters and upgraded vehicles and nobody will have to grind hours to have scores and everybody will have the same scores.

Thanks for answering.

Vehicles you can actually max at some point and it's easier in this game than in HCR2. Boosters are just one time items you need to keep grinding over and over again.

Also: new players won't be much competitive against maxed players if both use boosters. If we remove also upgrades, then it becomes difficult to prove by picture and need video proof for everything.

I agree with this rule for two points:
_boosters came after the game was added, so many players played the game without using boosters.
_HCR already has a large number of records and if we need to farm 10 boosters per record, the competition will be uninteresting, in my opinion. So I prefer take a time in new categories rather than farm boosters.

this is the problem with mobile games and even now for others. The game evolves with new tools why these tools will not be usable, everyone can use them. it is not the first game and it will not be the last. How does Angry Bird work on VGR now? 

Angry Bird games on mobile has a similar case. Most of the scores on VGR are done without power-ups. Power-ups were added many many years later to the game with an update, most likely just to make more money for the devs. Also ads were added to all versions, even if you previously bought the game and had no ads.

So for example, when you previously had to use skill and luck to beat a level with one bird, you could now use earthquake power-up to beat it without using birds at all. Thus allowing you to beat any previous record by a lot of points. I guess this is what ThePandaEmperor did to win a VGR tournament, right? :) And I believe the way he did it was to install the game, over and over again, because you would get some free power-ups at the beginning?

I believe power-ups were not added to any console versions?

I only played it occasionally and this after boosters were implemented. I didn't even know there were no booster previously.

I see you already added the ‘no booster rule’. 

So I am fine you delete my score as I don't remember if I used boosters or not. I only have 8 picture proofs (as other scores are low scores). For some of them I used no boosters :)
cheers

I will try to answer correctly to this important discussion, even with short time.
Note that we discussed about it last Council 12 (05th June), so things can be better explained after.

Specific Game's Rules were not created to be able of doing everything, except if you're the game adder (the member who proposed to add the game in VGR), so before the game add, with discussion and conclusion written in the game add topic.

For new rules in a past played game (with already scores into it), there need to be a consensus with majority of game players.
We know it is difficult to obtain, but VGR need to respect what was done in the past (or what was not done, it is the same kind of problem with proofs…). 
So if you don't have the majority of players, we continue with the actual game rules.
It means, in absence of majority of players vote, you can't apply Game rules, you simply follows the VGR General Rules.

Sorry, but in your case (Hill Climb Racing), we (VGR Council) agreed that boosters are allowed, like basically every modification or update wanted by game developers.

This is more a general thing, rather than a specific refusal of what you proposed (and even if it's technically possible, and even if you know the update was16th March, 2017).
VGR need to follow game developers choices, first.
After, you can change this if (and only if) you have a major agreement with the game players (so more than 50%, with a vote).
Especially when you ask limitations (like yours with no boosters, or another one, like “no glitch") and when it is a restriction of the normal or actual game.
You did not made this procedure/vote, so you must delete this specific rule, sorry.
 

Sorry again if Administrators (VGR Council) did not explained this well before. Actually we did a specific task for it, but it should be done (and written in the VGR Game Rules, definitively) in the next 2 months (…only).
This situation is due to the v7 release, where we are really busy with other priorities (v6 missing features) to make the site functional, first.

And now, as you see, we are also busy with other problems, and not so many to deal them.

VGR need to follow game developers choices, first. zephyraz

I completely agree with that ^^

Specific Game's Rules were not created to be able of doing everything, except if you're the game adder (the member who proposed to add the game in VGR), so before the game add, with discussion and conclusion written in the game add topic.

In this case (Hill Climb Racing), that would have been impossible, since boosters were added several years later. 

Just want to clarify that I only made the request back in 2019 and rule was made live on the site by someone else. Not me. I don't even know how to add rules to the site. This rule was most likely rejected because it was added without discussion. That's why I opened this topic, to have that discussion.

Now it's been rejected, so how much time is given for the votes usually? I opened this topic last Friday. If you need members who have couple of scores posted for this game and haven't logged in to vgr for few years, to vote on this. Then of course it's not going to get enough votes. Seriously.. If this is required, then majority of games on vgr can't have any info on the rules. And here I was hopeful of this long awaited new feature on V7 to make some sense in games. Now it's made pretty much unusable with these limitations. I know there must be discussion, but it will be all for nothing most likely with the voting system like this.

By deciding to allow use of boosters in the game, you favor the pay to win model of the game. When there was an easy solution not to do so. Maybe someone will now be encouraged to download a hacked version with unlimited gems to get first places in the game and the master badge.

Since I don't agree with the decision, I kindly ask you to delete all my 961 scores in Hill Climb Racing. Thanks.

Changes added in a game after release (sometimes years after) are more frequent these days. The simple fact that they weren't in the game at the beginning is definitely not a sufficient reason to forbid them. What I'm saying is not specific for HCR but for any game of course. And it is always possible to still add specific rules for such things, it just has to be discussed first in any case.

Why the council has decided to not allow this rule is that it has been added without really been discussed. But I'm not a big fan of this way neither. In my opinion, the discussion should remain open to allow every people that want to participate to give their opinion on it. 🙂

Boosters are unfun