(Modif) After Burner II

Hi, After Burner II was never released for the C64, Amiga, NES and MSX. Only After Burner. So please remove them from the current record track. https://www.video-games-records.com/after-burner-ii-jeu-j2281.html Plus, for the Amiga and C64 two different versions of After Burner were released (like many US/UK games). Please create them separately as follow: C64: After Burner (UK/Activision): High Score : XXXXXX After Burner (US/SEGA): High Score : XXXXXX Amiga: After Burner (UK/Activision): High Score : XXXXXX After Burner (US/SEGA): High Score : XXXXXX MSX: After Burner: High Score: XXXXXXX NES: After Burner: High Score: XXXXXXX New additions (when you have the time, you can add these) Amstrad CPC : After Burner: High Score: XXXXXXX ZX Spectrum: After Burner: High Score: XXXXXXX Atari ST: After Burner: High Score: XXXXXXX Thanks Info on: https://www.mobygames.com/game/c64/after-burner-ii https://www.lemon64.com/ http://www.lemonamiga.com/

Sorry for the inconvenience, because it's me who added the game at the time. My source was Wikipedia, which is not the safest, and I didn't know how important it was to not mix all these versions. Thanks to you for pointing and remembering me this. However, and still now, the error exists again in Wikipedia for some systems like MSX: [url=https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Burner_II]Wikipedia (french), After Burner II[/url] [url=https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Jeu_MSX]Wikipedia, List of MSX Games[/url] After reading your links, I think it's because this game was just a release of the first After Burner, so there is confusion possibilities. Now, I prefer to see only the version I know and played, which is Megadrive/Genesis. And not to mix with other versions, because there can be small differences in the gameplay or speed (which I can only know if I played them). There is "only" 2 other members who played After Burner II: - narutokyuby: I suppose he played also with MD version - Barthax: I suppose he also played with MD (look at his proofs) I will contact them, to be sure of that. Finally, so I advice to admins to only keep the MD version for After Burner II.

No probs Just cleaning up the Dbase a bit

I played on MD version

My scores are from the Mega Drive Euro release.

Hello ! So what is needed here ? Are the platforms on After Burner II correct right now (Master System, Mega Drive, PC-Engine, Saturn), or do we need to update them ? And for the 2nd part of your message, do we need to create new After Burner games ? 2 for C64, 2 for Amiga, 1 for MSX, 1 for NES, 1 for Amstrad CPC, 1 for Atari ST and 1 for ZX Spectrum ? And since it seems everybody on After Burner II played on MegaDrive, do we have something to move ? It looks like no but I'm not sure to understand :smile:

It's correct now. Just add separately: 2 for C64, 2 for Amiga, 1 for MSX, 1 for NES, 1 for Amstrad CPC, 1 for Atari ST and 1 for ZX Spectrum Nothing else to do. Thanks

All these games have been added. They will be available soon

Now, Siliconian played on PC-Engine/TurboGrafX, but did not proove his scores, as strongly suggested with the game rules since April 2023.

He made similar scores (compared with me), so I will ask him to help and clear this ambiguous situation.

A short video proof will be appreciated, with his original system of course.

aucune règle ne pourra l'obliger à ajouter une preuve, si tu veux qu'il ajoute une preuve, tu peux faire une demande de preuve.
no rule can force him to add proof, if you want him to add proof, you can make a proof request.

Of course, I well know all these details.

I already contacted him, in order to proove by video his system + game used (with a specific tag/signature).
If I ask him a proof, it can be a picture proof, which would be useless to determine if he really played with original hardware.

Now I'm waiting his answer and video.

Let's talk about After Burner II:

 

The rules say: Strongly suggested: an additional proof of your system and of your original game is also strongly suggested (with a specific tag or personal signature)

 

Well, I use direct capture video for my console records and a OBS Studio to record and send to Youtube the videos. I do this since this "tecnology" has turned easy, cheap and very acessible in the last years, we are living in 2025 and these archaic ways to record a game like VCR, Camcorders or Smartphone on a tripod is not more viable for players that submit a large amout of records.

 

I did the After Burner II record using PC Engine and a Hucard, my record is just a bit more good than your record, a blink.

 

Again, I will talk about the problematic rules of the site.

 

"I don't need to submit proofs, pictures or videos." This is a very wrong way to transparency and credibility, but I am follow the rules. Rules are rules.

 

If I send the direct video of After Burner II, I can't show you the tags / signatures, real console, etc....

 

If I send the picture showing the console, tag / signature, you can't see the video....

 

So, I need to play again using a Smartphone/Tripod to follow the specific rules and proof I am not using Genesis mini and Save states....

 

Sincerally, I won't do this again.

 

My score is very close than you I don't know if can do it again, I can play hours and hours and don't beat record and spend my free time to make your will, sorry.

 

Rules 2.4 Sending Proofs:
The submission of a record does not imply proving it immediately. However, starting from 300 (three hundred) scores submitted on the website, you are required to maintain at least 3% (three percent) approved scores in order to submit further.

 

Well, I have 915 proven score, I can submit around 30000 (thirty thousand) records without proof and I am into de 3% necessary. I am follow the rules.

 

I now that After Burner II former score belongs to you and maybe you have a personal motivation to request proofs because I beat the record, but if you wish, you can delete my record and reclaim the record for you, is not a problem to me and I won't be angry with you or the rules.

Don't worry, a rule can't force you to prove a record.
However, a member can request proof for all records on the site.
In some cases, a special status can be added to a record, group, or even the entire game so that the proof is only in video format, and therefore a photo will be automatically blocked. This is quite rare, but it does exist, like with Rocket League, where the goal is to perform all the actions without ever resetting the shot.
And as for proof with the console visible, it will never be enough to prove that you set the record with that console. At best, it proves that you own the console and the game, but you can easily plug in the mini version behind the screen without it being visible.
So for that too, there's no problem.
What you can do, at a pinch, would be to take a photo of your console and your game to prove that you actually own the hardware. This rule isn't a rule, it's just a recommendation that we're not required to follow; it shouldn't even be in the rules.
The best way to prove these records is to make a full video proof of the record, even if it takes two hours or more. With YouTube or other platforms, we're more limited by the size or length of the video.

 

version original fr

ne vous inquiétez pas, une regle ne peux pas vous forcer à prouver un record.
Par contre, un membre peut faire une demande de proof sur tous les records du site. 
Dans certain cas, un statut particulier peut etre ajouté à un records, groupe ou carrément le jeu entier pour que les preuves soit seulement en vidéo et donc une photo sera automatiquement bloqué, c'est assez rare mais ça existe comme pour rocket league ou le but et de faire toutes les actions sans jamais réinitialisé le tir.
Et pour la preuve avec la console visible, elle ne pourra jamais suffire à prouver qu'on fait le record avec cette console, au mieux elle prouve que tu as la console et le jeu, mais on peut tres bien brancher la version mini derière l'écran sans que se soit visible.
Donc pour ça aussi, il n'y a pas de problème.
Ce que tu peux faire à la limite se serait de prendre en photo ta console et ton jeu, pour prouver que tu as bien le materiel.
Cette règle n'est pas une règle, c'est juste des recommandations qu'on est pas obligé de suivre, elle ne devrait meme pas etre dans les regles.
Le meilleur moyen pour prouver ces records c'est de faire une preuve en vidéo complète du record meme si ça prend 2h ou plus, avec youtube ou autre, on est plus limité par la poids ou le temps de la vidéo.
Ce que tu peux faire à la limite se sera de prendre en photo ta console et ton jeu, pour prouvé que tu as bien le materiel.
Cette règle n'est pas une règle, c'est juste des recommandations, elle ne devrait meme pas etre dans les règles.
Le meilleur moyen pour prouver ces records c'est de faire une preuve en vidéo complète du record meme si ça prend 2h ou plus, avec youtube ou autre, on est plus limité par la poids ou le temps de la vidéo

ENGLISH

Thanks for your answer, Siliconian. 😉

 

In order not to surprise new members if they are asked for additional proof of their game and platform, we have decided to indicate this more visibly, directly in the rules of the game, for all games that are affected (it means all games who have new versions on mini consoles, with different options or gameplay).

It’s all about ensuring healthy competition between players, and making sure they’re all playing with a comparable version of the game.

The problem has been present since the release of Wii Virtual Console games (with pause-savestate) and mini consoles (with savestates).

These official consoles are allowed on VGR, and therefore the original games must be preserved from these problems, we repeat this often, in or out the VGR general Rules.

We had validated the presence of new “platform proofs” but for technical and development reasons, this tool/option has not yet been developed.

Following the problems encountered by our unique developer magicbart, the chances of seeing this developed one day are now very low, sadly. 😕

 

Therefore, now it is necessary to ask the players to provide these proofs of their platform, just to have some trust in their sending records.

This is strongly suggested in the rules, so that admins like me do not ask for it systematically. 😉

Although VGR was created on the idea of mutual trust between players and has always worked without mandatory proof, this system has its limits, we have seen it in previous years with a few cases of abuse.

And this complicates a lot the work (even life) of the few admins still present, like me.

 

For After Burner II:

I don’t need you to re-score high, close or better than your current score.

1)  I just want and request that you provide me with a current photo or video of your PC Engine platform, with the game After Burner II visible. It is now necessary to have confidence in you (or others), to prove that you own the console and the original games, I hope you understand this 🤔. If you want to take the opportunity to show your other PC Engine games from your collection, do not hesitate, it would be perfect.

A single proof of that will allow us to remove any future suspicion against you, thank you for making this little effort. 😉

 

2)  Then, a short video of the game would also be appreciated, given the specificities and variants of the game, indicated by this topic.

There may be things that we do not know at the moment, we must be able to verify it, thank you.

 

3)  Personally, as a player, I know how long it took me to get this sore on Megadrive, and that it is not easy to approach or exceed it, given my experience on VGR now. I’m always ready to see my score beat, no problem. I do not want your score to be deleted, if it is legitimate, and I am even glad to see that someone finally reaches a comparable level. It is even joyful, to compare our experiences: if you want to discuss it, it will be with great pleasure.

 

For the rest, I thank you for answering our questions in detail, it is important, and it avoids many confusions or misunderstandings. 

Likewise, proving its records (if possible) has become increasingly important in recent years, as well as its «old» consoles and games.

I am now waiting for your proofs and videos within 15 days, thank you in advance to make these small efforts, for your legitimacy and that of VGR. 😉

 

 

 

FRANCAIS

Merci pour ta réponse, Siliconian. 😉

 

De manière à ne pas surprendre les nouveaux membres si on leur demande une preuve supplémentaire de leur jeu et de leur plateforme, nous avons décidé de l’indiquer de façon plus visible, directement dans les règles du jeu, pour tous les jeux qui sont concernés (c’est-à-dire tous ceux qui ont des nouvelles versions sur consoles mini, avec options ou gameplay différents).

Il s’agit avant tout de garantir une saine compétition entre les joueurs, et de s’assurer qu’ils jouent tous avec une version du jeu comparable.

Le problème est apparu depuis la sortie des jeux sur console virtuelle Wii (avec pause-sauvegarde) et des consoles mini (avec sauvegardes).

Ces consoles officielles sont autorisées sur VGR, et par conséquent les jeux originaux doivent être préservés de ces problèmes, on le répète souvent, dans ou en dehors du Règlement VGR général.

Nous avions validé la présence de nouvelles « preuves plateformes », mais pour des raisons techniques et de développement, cette option n’a pas encore été développée.

Suite aux problèmes rencontrés par notre unique développeur magicbart, les probabilités de voir cela un jour développé sont désormais très réduites, malheureusement. 😕

 

Par conséquent, maintenant, il faut demander aux joueurs de fournir ces preuves de leur plateforme, histoire d’avoir une certaine confiance en leurs envois de records. 😉
C’est fortement suggéré dans les règles, de manière àce que les admins comme moi ne le demandent pas systématiquement.

Bien que VGR a été créé sur une idée de confiance mutuelle entre joueurs et a toujours fonctionné sans preuves obligatoires, ce système a ses limites, nous l’avons vu les années précédentes avec quelques rares cas d’abus.

Et cela complique beaucoup le travail (voire la vie) des rares admins encore présents, comme moi.

 

Pour After Burner II :

Je n’ai pas besoin que tu refasses un score élevé, proche ou meilleur que ton score actuel.

 1)  Je veux et demande juste que tu me fournisses une photo ou vidéo actuelle de ta plateforme PC Engine, avec le jeu After Burner II visible. C’est désormais nécessaire pour qu’on ait confiance en toi (ou d’autres), pour prouver que tu possèdes bien la console et les jeux originaux, j’espère que tu l’as bien compris 🤔. Si tu souhaites en profiter pour y montrer tes autres jeux PC Engine de ta collection, n’hésites pas, ce serait parfait.

Une seule preuve de ça nous permettra d’ôter toute future suspicion envers toi, merci de faire ce petit effort. 😉

 

2)  Ensuite, une courte vidéo du jeu serait également appréciable, compte-tenu des spécificités et variantes du jeu, indiquées par ce sujet.
Il y a peut-être des choses qu’on ne sait pas actuellement, il faut pouvoir le vérifier, merci.

 

3)  Personnellement, en tant que joueur, je sais combien de temps il m’a fallu pour obtenir ce sore sur Megadrive, et qu’il n’est pas aisé de s’en approcher ou de le dépasser, compte-tenu de mon expérience sur VGR maintenant. Je suis toujours prêt à voir un jour mon score battu, pas de problème. Je ne souhaite pas que ton score soit supprimé, s’il est légitime, et je suis même ravi de voir que quelqu’un arrive enfin à un niveau comparable. C’est même réjouissant, pour comparer nos expériences : si tu veux en discuter, ce sera avec grand plaisir.

 

Pour le reste, je te remercie d’avoir répondu en détails à nos questions, c’est important, et ça évite de nombreuses confusions ou malentendus.
De même, prouver ses records (si possible) devient de plus en plus important depuis quelques années, ainsi que ses « anciennes » consoles et jeux.

J’attends maintenant tes preuves et vidéos sous 15 jours, merci d’avance de faire ces petits efforts, pour ta légitimité et pour celle de VGR. 😉