[MK8D] Issue for proving 150cc best laps

Hi! There's a problem with the game [url=https://www.video-games-records.com/mario-kart-8-deluxe-jeu-j4474.html]Mario Kart 8 Deluxe[/url], that I found while talking with [url=https://www.video-games-records.com/yuri-profil-m6094.html]Yuri[/url] about his proofs on the game. Indeed, in time trial, for the first time in a Mario Kart opus, there's 2 categories: 150cc and 200cc : 150cc is the arbitrary karts velocity in the previous opus, and 200cc is a faster mode. On the circuit selection screen, where we can see the records, we can distinguish the category in which the player is, thanks to the color of the bar on which is written the name of the selected circuit. If the bar is blue, the player is in the 150cc menu, if the bar is red, the player is in the 200cc one. So far no problem. Concerning the best total time, there is no trouble so. But if we want to prove his records of best lap, this is problematic. Actually, logically if the player wants to perform a good time for lap, he has to pick the amount of 10 coins up in his first lap in order to be faster on rest of the course, and has to use his 3 mushrooms during the same lap... Naturally, this method isn't optimized for doing the best total time, and it's true that in all the previous Mario Kart opus, it never caused any issue. This time, if the player wants to do his best for a lap, without breaking his total record, the game doesn't record the performance in the menu, and the sole screen that shows it is the end-of-course screen, which doesn't permit to distinguish the category played. This could kill the competition of being only able to proove a best lap insofar it's part of the best global performance of the total time, as the best players would be handicapped by their excellent times when wanting to do a best time in order to record a total time with a good best lap. Effectively, a picture can be sufficient to proove a 200cc time, because it's without any interest to proove a time that was executed in 150cc as the kart is slower. Besides the possibility of proving with a vidéo, I propose that we make an exeption and we tolerate a proof on which we put side-by-side 2 pictures, one of the end screen, where we can see the player's best lap, and his best total time, if he chose to face his own best ghost, and the other picture that shows the best time saved where we can distinguish the category. So, we'll be able to associate between the 2 pictures, because there's an infinitely close to 0 probability for the same circuit, to do the same total time, and the same lap times in the good order for a performance in 150cc and one in 200cc, even if we take times from 2 different players among all those in the planet - in short, the conditions to gather to be able to "cheat". It's so unlikely that we can ignore the risks of one case of cheat which has 0.0000000000000001 % of chance to happen. So, the discussion is open, for those who own the game, and those who have comments to make. [spoiler=Français]Bonjour, Il y a un problème avec le jeu [url=https://www.video-games-records.com/mario-kart-8-deluxe-jeu-j4474.html]Mario Kart 8 Deluxe[/url], que j'ai repéré en discutant avec [url=https://www.video-games-records.com/yuri-profil-m6094.html]Yuri[/url] à propos de ses preuves sur le jeu. En effet, en contre-la-montre, pour la première fois dans un opus de Mario Kart, il existe 2 catégories : 150cc et 200cc : 150cc étant la vitesse arbitraire des karts dans les précédents opus, et 200cc un mode plus rapide. Sur l'écran de sélection du circuit, là où l'on peut apercevoir les records, on peut distinguer la catégorie dans laquelle on se trouve, à la couleur de la bande sur laquelle est inscrite le nom du circuit sélectionné. Si la bande est bleue, nous sommes en 150cc, si elle est rouge, nous sommes en 200cc. Jusque-là pas de problème. Concernant le meilleur temps total, il n'y a donc aucun souci. Mais dès que l'on veut prouver ses records pour le meilleur tour, c'est problématique. En fait, logiquement, si on veut faire un bon temps au tour, on va passer son premier tour à ramasser les 10 pièces pour aller plus vite aux prochains tour, et on va utiliser ses 3 champignons lors du même tour... Bien entendu, cette méthode n'est pas optimisée pour faire le meilleur temps, et c'est vrai dans tous les précédents Mario Kart, mais ça n'avait jamais posé problème. Cette fois, si on veut faire de son mieux au meilleur tour, et qu'on ne bat pas son record total, le jeu n'enregistre pas la performance, et le seul écran montrant cette dernière est l'écran de fin de circuit, qui ne permet pas de voir si on est en 150cc ou en 200cc. Ça tuerait la compétition de ne pouvoir prouver son meilleur tour que s'il fait partie de la performance globale du meilleur temps, car les meilleurs joueurs seraient handicapé par leur excellent temps pour faire mieux pour pouvoir sauvegarder un temps total avec un bon meilleur tour. Alors effectivement, une photo peut suffire pour prouver un temps en 200cc, puisque ce n'est dans l'intérêt de personne de prouver un temps de 200cc avec un temps réalisé en 150cc puisque le kart est plus lent. Donc outre la possibilité de prouver par vidéo je propose qu'on puisse faire une exception et tolérer une preuve sur laquelle on a mis côte-à-côte 2 photos, l'une de l'écran de fin, où l'on voit son record de tour, et son meilleur temps, si tant est qu'on a choisi d'affronter son meilleur fantôme, ainsi que l'autre photo qui montre la sauvegarde du meilleur temps où l'on peut distinguer la catégorie de ce dernier. Ainsi, on pourra faire la correspondance entre les 2, puisqu'il y a une probabilité infiniment proche de 0 que pour un même circuit, on fasse le même temps total, et les mêmes temps par tour et ce dans l'ordre pour une meilleure performance en 150cc et en 200cc, et ce même pour 2 joueurs différents parmi tous ceux de la planète - les conditions à réunir pour pouvoir "tricher". C'est tellement improbable qu'on peut faire abstraction des risques d'un cas de triche qui a 0.0000000000000001 % de chance d'arriver. Voilà, la discussion est ouverte, à ceux qui ont le jeu, et ceux qui ont des commentaires à faire.[/spoiler]

For me if a photo is not enough, then we use the video. I do not agree for a double photo.

I know this isn't a great solution, but we can take advantage of the Switch's ability to have multiple user accounts. Have your main one for Best Total Time, and have the second for only Best Lap times. Of course, you would have to play on the second account for a while to unlock everything, but in the end, you can prove them both.

@DEM: In your way, you will have a problem: each time you want to improve your best lap, you have to improve your best total time too, and at a given point in time, it will become impossible to save a ghost with a better lap than your record and the problem of being handicapped by his own best total time will reemerge.

I agree with Foxof: if you can't proove with pictures, then a video is necessary. It means that each picture proof for the Best Lap group 150cc should be deleted now. Proofs admins should also refuse picture proofs for this category. It will be nice if VGR install the window informations (I strongly suggest it since many years), because this game is another good example that there is some important specificities to clarify and respect, for a fair competition.

Alright, yet I'm not even sure that a video can prove it. Someone one own the game (Yuri ?) should tell us if after the circuit is finished, if the game redirect the player on the 150cc menu (in which case video proof would be well-to-do), or if the game redirect him on the general menu or time trial menu at category selection screen. In the second case, the sole possibility of video would be starting video in the 150cc menu, showing the choice of the circuit and the race… But a player of Mario Kart of a player of time trial on any game knows that to do a good chrono, it requires many tries, and it would be painful to leave the course and return on the 150cc menu to record another video each time the player wants to restart the race.

[quote=tomgeek]But a player of Mario Kart of a player of time trial on any game knows that to do a good chrono, it requires many tries, and it would be painful to leave the course and return on the 150cc menu to record another video each time the player wants to restart the race.[/quote] The proof is part of the record, it's up to the competitors to do this work.

So, finally, I get other details from Triple HHH for this game.
From now: people can proove Best Lap by pictures; but then it must be from the Menu, where we can see the screen background color (blue for 150 cc, red for 200cc).
So picture proofs which were accepted before without showing the Menu, should be deleted (actually admins can't do it, but it should be possible in the next future developments).
Concerned people will be contacted about this, anyway.
You can also proove by video; but then, because the best lap time is not saved, it requires to delete your time before each try.

Picture can be ok for 200cc anyway because it's the faster setup no advantage to play on 150cc to submit on 200cc.

The only case can be playing in 200cc and submit in 150cc. the reverse side is pointless.

Also picture can be ok if you see the previous best total time and if it's use as a proof on the total time on this cc

A bad Time on 200cc can be post on 150cc and be matched.

And a good Time on 150cc can be post on 200cc and be matched to.

I think, VGR need see the background blue or red on picture, OR Video proof. In my opinion ;)

I have a method that can work too. When you do Time Trials for 150cc mode, there are the Nintendo Bots or whatever they are called that the game automatically has in. Kind of like developers posting their ghost times?

Those ghosts are unique because they have the name of the person who played it, the time they achieved, and the character they played. And they are specific to that course AND cc-mode. In Yoshi Circuit for GCN (for example), Red Yoshi is the 150cc ghost, while teal Shy Guy is the 200cc ghost.

Just my two cents on it.

-MWT 2.0

Those are staff ghost. I wonder if they're not updated with each new track they add.

Idk why it sent my message twice.