[split]Pokemon Fire Red from Leaf Green

Split this two game and every pokemon version that are merged, because they all have differences.

The differences do not warrant a split, as you can just go through the game with one starter doing all the battles, and a couple of HM slaves to get you through non-battle scenarios. The record is ultimately the same on both games.

It would be like splitting up all the THDJ records for individual characters - There are differences, but not enough of a difference

You can catch different pokemon on each version and only can get them for traid from other versions. And some pokemon may help you. If the pokemon games are not splited then i guess pokemon trade is allowed.

I guess Pokémon trade is allowed too, since there's not that much differences to split them in two differents games.

You are not getting the idea.
Trades should not be allowed in order to reach Hall of Fame in the fastest time. Also the games should be splited because the pokemon you catch in one version and cant on the other may help you on a particular version.
Why trades shouldnt be allowed? Because you can spend years or months raising pokemons to lvl 100 and then just send them to a new game on other version and then complete all of fame with pokemons trained a lot of time on other game.

I hope you get the point.

I would much rather see actual records being added to the 4th gen pokemon games (individual battle hall records that game DOES keep as records) rather than splitting all of the games over records that can be achieved the same way on each of the different generations of game.

PMniac :

Trades should not be allowed in order to reach Hall of Fame in the fastest time.

The quickest way of beating Red/Blue/Yellow is by glitching to get Mew, not because of the version exclusive pokemon. The quickest way of beating Gold/Silver/Crystal is by using Feraligator, not version exclusive. There is no trading involved in getting on the hall of fame on these games in the quickest time and it is the same with all the others

I get your point but you might as well forget about it and move on because it isn't going to change.

The fact that you can start a new game with a extra pokemon lv. 100 is not fair but VGR have no rules by game so you can do what you want for do the best time..

You do know that if you obtain a traded pokemon at Lv. 100 in a New Game, It won't obey you, right?
You would still have to continue as normal until you have all 8 Badges so that you could actually use that Lv.100 received in a Trade... I thought someone who likes Pokemon as much as you do would know that...

Dark Eon Master :

You do know that if you obtain a traded pokemon at Lv. 100 in a New Game, It won't obey you, right?

Exactly. As weird as it sounds, a level 100 pokemon does not have any advantage compared to your own pokemon 10-20 levels above the AI because of the mechanics of the game. The level 100 pokemon doesn't obey you consistently whereas a Croconaw that becomes Feraligator on Pokemon Silver will do and will beat the game quicker. http://speeddemosarchive.com/PokemonGoldSilver.html

The problem with this whole discussion is that it comes form someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. He said this:

PMniac :

Trades should not be allowed in order to reach Hall of Fame in the fastest time.

There is no evidence to support that this is true. 1st gen uses a Mew that you can glitch to get, 2nd Gen uses Feraligator, 3rd gen uses Mudkip. I'm positive 4th uses Empoleon. The latter 3 are starters, the 1st isn't available legitimately on Red/Blue/Yellow outside Japan. There is no reason to change these because there is NO evidence to support that trading makes it easier "to reach Hall of Fame in the fastest time"

Also, if someone can help me correct my attempt at linking to speeddemos that would be great

Pokemon Silver

Dar Eon Master, I play pokemon since long time ago. And I know that they wont obbey the attacks you pick, but they use a different attack. I can't remember if they stay some turns without even attack.

Well at least split the Crystal from GOLD/Silver, Emerald from RUBY/SAPPHIRE, Platinum from Pearl/Diamond. because they have a different story line, different sentences and the path you shall do is different

I agree with possibly splitting Platinum because the Distortion World it is a notable difference to the other two games. However, the other ones should stay as they are.

On emerald you have to return to a cave near the flannery gym. on crystal i guess you have to do different things with suicune. I didnt play much crystal, i think i didnt completed it because it was from a friend.

There's not Hall of Fame record for Gold/Silver/Crystal. Don't split them.

I don't think there is much difference between Crystal and G/S, but it has been a long time since I played it(HG and SS are the same as Crystal IIRC, so you can compare HG to Gold and see the non-pokemon differences that way)

I, too, agree with a split of:
Gold/Silver and Crystal
Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald
Diamond/Pearl and Platinum

NOTE: I was typing this when Isu13 posted his comment

If there is not the Hall of Rame race category for GSC then why not suggest it right here? =)
Lol, thelegendaryspr these are already splited except Crystal from Gold/Silver.
On crystal you have a Battle Tower which shall be a category that Gold/Silver dont have and you can get scores.

PMniac :

Lol, thelegendaryspr these are already splited except Crystal from Gold/Silver.

You can tell I was doing something else at the same time and wasn't completely focused on my post lol

Dark Eon Master :

You do know that if you obtain a traded pokemon at Lv. 100 in a New Game, It won't obey you, right?
You would still have to continue as normal until you have all 8 Badges so that you could actually use that Lv.100 received in a Trade... I thought someone who likes Pokemon as much as you do would know that...

Haha, not really true.

Let's look at Ash and Gary, two players of Pokémon Red and Blue.

Ash chooses Squirtle as starter, and starts to discover the epic World of Pokémon.
Then he sends as soon as possible his Charmander to Gary, while Gary gives him a Squirtle.

Ash stops playing now.

Gary is now playing: his new Squirtle won't obey him if his level gets too high, you're right.
So Gary uses another Pokémon and completes the game. Then, he trains Charmander until it got level 100, then he trades back it to Ash.

Ash is so happy with his new Charizard level 100 that he wants to play Pokémon.
Charizard will obey him, because Ash is Charizard real trainer. Their Trainer IDs are the same, the game considers Ash as being the original trainer.
Only traded Pokémon won't obey to the trainer if their level is too high. But the game considers Charizard as non-traded, so it would result in a level 100 at the begining of the game...

NintendoPlayers :

Dark Eon Master :

You do know that if you obtain a traded pokemon at Lv. 100 in a New Game, It won't obey you, right?
You would still have to continue as normal until you have all 8 Badges so that you could actually use that Lv.100 received in a Trade... I thought someone who likes Pokemon as much as you do would know that...

Haha, not really true.

Let's look at Ash and Gary, two players of Pokémon Red and Blue.

Ash chooses Squirtle as starter, and starts to discover the epic World of Pokémon.
Then he sends as soon as possible his Charmander to Gary, while Gary gives him a Squirtle.

Ash stops playing now.

Gary is now playing: his new Squirtle won't obey him if his level gets too high, you're right.
So Gary uses another Pokémon and completes the game. Then, he trains Charmander until it got level 100, then he trades back it to Ash.

Ash is so happy with his new Charizard level 100 that he wants to play Pokémon.
Charizard will obey him, because Ash is Charizard real trainer. Their Trainer IDs are the same, the game considers Ash as being the original trainer.
Only traded Pokémon won't obey to the trainer if their level is too high. But the game considers Charizard as non-traded, so it would result in a level 100 at the begining of the game...

I never thought of it that way. That is very smart.
Even then, I still think it should be allowed... It is basically the same with certain Race games. When you first start the game, you have slow cars and if you try time trial, they will be slow times, but if you play the game and get the fastest cars, then you can go back and make a Faster time on Time Trials. Its up to the player to find out the BEST way to finish the game within the Game's recorded time, So I think that this isn't a good reason to split pokemon games up like this.

Ok, you can keep the 2 versions that went out to market at same time, like gold with silver, but please split the crystal, because I will request categorys that only that game has.