Proof policy (criticizing rant and such)

So, I come back from a (I dont know how long) break from here, Try to update a new record... and come to find out that I cant, because I have too many "records" and need to submit proofs...

WHY???!!!??? Are you trying to keep people like me (who come back once in a while) away....
I come every so often (whenever I feel like updating my records (when I set them)) and now all of a sudden, I have to find some games, and take proofs... upload them up, and THEN after thats all cleared up, If I remember, only to submit the record (that I want to submit now)...

(But fank, cant you just pick a game that you have and easily take them?)
Unfortunatley, I have little to no games that actually fit this bill.  (That I can "easily" do)

(Right now, As Im typing this message I'm in the middle of a stream (so you get my setup), in order get proofs, I'll need to change console (I dont have any games I can prove on my current console), Then I'll have to either webcam or use my capture card (prolly the capture card for a clearer picture...) then I'll have to find the record, and then save it. and even then, I may have bettered the time for it, (who knows what would happen then) I would have to save the picture, and by the time I finish, It would be time for bed (or my data for the month would be used up, which

All I want to do is hop on, update some records... I dont want to waste time looking for records, and have to put proofs on records that im ranked last out of 5000 in (exageration for effect, I heard its effective at times) (and thats whats the easiest ironically)

Thank you, for ruining what was (at that time) a perfect stream (with casper dilegintly watching) because I couldnt have the "luxury" of running and gunning with my record. (dont worry, there defintetly would have been proof)

For weber, When you come by here, the "famous rivalry tie" has finally been broken... with 1311. This is (what I choose to be) the only way for me telling you this asap, instead of you wondering around the internet looking for updates in records and such.

On one hand, I think its a perfectly good idea. On the other hand.... it sucks. (im so glad I hadnt submitted 100% to brawl, then we would have an issue... (actually, on the other hand, getting proofs would be easier...)


In short, everything I can get a proof of, its too much of a nuisance to do it... (I.e. looking around for the game and all that)

As mentioned before, Thank you for ruining a perfect night of streaming for me, and ... im pretty sure some derogratory comment can be added here..

(oh yeah, and to all those wondering why I dont just simply upload them... the reason why I have ~50% of all the possible submit-able records on here... (some games are missing) I cant be bothered :P)

You speak about this :

BlackShark :

Upcoming soon on VGR ... Rule of Three!
Issued by BlackShark
 
  Hi everyone!

   While some members are still fighting in the VGR Tournament, a new rule will soon be added shortly after these tournaments: Rule of Three!

   What is it? From Wednesday, November 20, a member will no longer be allowed to send new posts if this member is in at least one of the following cases:

   1) The member has at least 300 scores sent to VGR, but still less than 3% of proven scores.
   2) The member has more than 30 disabled scores.
   3) The member has not complied with a point of rules.

   If you are currently in one of these cases, do not panic, you still have a month to regularize your situation!

It's not a very big deal, you just need to proof 9 records on VGR and after you are free no ?

yeah, 9 records arent a lot, but its just discouraging, the process to get the proofs thats all... it killed all momentum for the night, and the rest is history

In your case, I understand your feeling cause you are on VGR since a long time.
This rules was implanted mainly for new players, to block a faker to spamming  the whole website.

It's just here to give a sort of approval for a new player to feel free here after.

Djon :

In your case, I understand your feeling cause you are on VGR since a long time.
This rules was implanted mainly for new players, to block a faker to spamming  the whole website.

It's just here to give a sort of approval for a new player to feel free here after.

I love and hate the idea.
from a managment perspective it keeps people in check in terms of their legitimacy and stuff, and what you said about spammers.

what I hate about it, is from a personal perspective. when I get 1hr or so, I'll find some time to upload some proofs.
*the stupid thing, is that I can upload new records, complete with proofs, to get over that mark, but cant upload new proofs...
but eh, it has its ups and flaws.
(as stated above, Any game I do have on vgr, I cant readily give proof. due to not being able to save, on a handheld/not having the game, not being able to access the pc games, etc. (and proofs being elsewhere :P))
my case is seperate though.

As stated, The system is good, I felt like pointing out some flaws :P

(and being a stubborn jerk etc. (by writing the book (OP ("in english") for those who dont know), instead of turning the wii on and finding MKwii records and such)

-Q, its been a while, Is proofs still being added seperatley from the record? (you cant do both at the same time?)

EDIT: another Q, why 300??? why not 100, or 33?

If you cant/dont want/dont have the time to proof your scores = Your fault, like its never happen. Dont try to post records if you dont want to spend 1-3 minutes take a picture, upload it to your pc and use it for vgr.

I realy dont understand your problem here. Sure you cant post your new score, but even if you can: why do you think it make it better if you still dont want to proof that score too?

I realy love the new system of prooving a % of scores before you start to post more.
If you found the time prooving your scores and you can start to post more scores again, do it like me: proove it right after your post it, simple.

The system was brought in so that new users can post here, but users have to start proving their scores to stay. This was brought in because certain users(ie. Me) complained that other users were posting thousands of records with no intention of ever proving them(because they were clearly posted to boost other player's scores).

Proofs can only be posted after the score

To answer your other question fank, 100 and 33 are too strict, and our original idea of 500 was deemed too lenient

Undead :

If you cant/dont want/dont have the time to proof your scores = Your fault, like its never happen. Dont try to post records if you dont want to spend 1-3 minutes take a picture, upload it to your pc and use it for vgr.

I realy dont understand your problem here. Sure you cant post your new score, but even if you can: why do you think it make it better if you still dont want to proof that score too?

I realy love the new system of prooving a % of scores before you start to post more.
If you found the time prooving your scores and you can start to post more scores again, do it like me: proove it right after your post it, simple.

:/ you make me sound like an ignorant fool you ignorant fool

1st off, of the 3 things you listed, why the hell, is cant/dont have the time in the same category as wont? Its my fault If I dont have the means ready to me??? (I.E. a camera), (and dont get into thaf money argument either...) what if I cant get themeans to me? Yes we live in the tetechnological age, that doesnt mean everyome coming across this site has the meams to be able to. Dont have time for 3-5 mimutes to upload a proof... q, have you taken economics? Mind you this needs a bit more diving into the mind of fank.. in short time is money, why would I take 5 minutes aside every 2 minutes because im on a hot streak??? I guess your records could be a lot better if you change your method of uploading proof (if I bothered checkimg said records... that reminds me)

So, because there is no desire for proof... my records shouldnt belong here? Ok then, /finds nearest exit
1st off, someone give this guy(/gal?) a promotion to head of the PR department here. He does a fine job at that.
Now, did you even read my rant???
"I was in the middle of streaming"- I had proof of said record if need be.

You dont understand my problem?
I'll explain it in english since you (obviously) cant see it/cant be bothered to look for it.
I havent uploaded scores in yonkees, im (just) over that magic number of 300, I want to update my score, but couldnt because I have too many  records, not enough proofs.
Now add to the fact, my philosophy of momentum, can you see why I was annoyed?


Now, about proofs, i'll be honest, proofs dont fit my personaliy. (Don't see this as an excuse). (Now we are digging deep in fanks mind). Posting proofs after every pr kills momentum (as explaimed earlier imo)  and waiting for thr end to mass upload, if I get bored of the game, what makes you think i'll take the proofs afterwards???) A proof system like your "demanding" doesnt suit me. Yet your willing to shun me off like im some diseased gamer.

Im going to have a look at you records, do what I can, and beat as many as I can, and NOT upload them here, so you have the sense of not being beaten, and Ihave the sense of rubbing it in your face, and everyone is happy.

@thelegendarypsr
Whats the difference between starting to upload proofs at 33 and 300?
If anything people like me would be turned away from the sudden change, instead of adapting to it.

At 33 a user would be put off by posting so few records, whereas 300 means users can get used to the site and the rules of it(although certain users, not you, still choose to ignore them)

I see your point, but most users would prove their records anyway(i'm not taking a shot at you there)

Its not my problem if someone beat my scores and ignore to post it, because they can't proove it. Do you realy think i just post scores only for fun? Nope, its still a competition and this is what make fun to me(if i like the Game too). But the fun ends if i see ppl with a better scores without any knowlege this scores is realy true.
So why i should think about scores of other ppl, if they are not existed at the time im on 1st place?

You can blame me for my Scoring Style, but im still the guy where post his scores and noone have any problems with that. Even i dont have a problem, because the system allow me to post scores.

And i never stop posting scores with prooves, even that ppl already know my scores are true. But what with you? What do you want to do on this site? I've seen that you have arround 300 scores with only 4 of them prooven. For me, you are simple not at the point to say your scores are all true to post more scores.

:/
(I feel like the intent of this thread has drifted :/)

3 statements
-obviously you missed the joke
-who said it was "your fault". (and that stab)
-what do I want from this place? I want to compete. it was the competition that made me stay in the 1st place
(and that stab)

Must comply with the rules of the site. They are not there by chance to annoy the people. If someone asks you for proof, he wants to validate contained. Anyone can come and say "I did it, but I can not prove it." It's your choice, but you have your share to make sooner or later. The reason we want to encourage people to prove their minimum scores is that people who want to avoid spamming the site scoring records that may have not made or invented.

9 records to prove on a game, it's not a drama. Someone who makes us say that I do not have the ability to prove my records, but the evidence is elsewhere, it is very doubtful. So do not try to find a problem elsewhere. Set your differences with your competitors and there will be no problem. A world record is not built in a day (if applicable). A new kid who wants to make its own law on a forum without complying with standards that cis, he is the problem. Not us.

:/ spur of the moment, gone :/

Everyone really is taking the "no proofs" thing out of context :/

The rant part, was my night being ruined.that was the context, and not being able to out proofs immediately
Jokes over....
Everyone (else) is making me look like an arrogant fool :/ (which im not contrary to popular belief)

For those who cant see it yet, I actually Like the policy (and want the min games lower :p)
As to why proofs havent been updated yet... (I'll stop there before I say something I might regret)

Maybe your point of view is not to prove every single record because [many-reasons] but yes, we had a lot of problems with members sending tons of scores at their arrival - that's why we decided to force to prove some of them after 300.
But letting the why aside, we force people to have 3% of proof - which is actually nothing.

I'm not sure we thought about people coming back like you did. But if you came back, it's because you want to compete and proving 3% it's like having an anti-doping control you must pass before you can take part.

We won't force you to prove your scores because it's your choice to do so and because we never forced people to prove in the past.
Now we "force" people to prove (1,000 scores  30 proofs it's not really forcing people to prove like it's done on Wii-Records - 1,000 scores  1,000 proofs) because we need some security and more trust in people because competing with someone we're not sure he has the console nor he has the game nor he is the player nor he really did the score is really frustrating.


Another point: you are saying people will leave because they need to take 10min to prove 10 records but you think people seeing your score will take the time to search your nickname on Youtube or any other site specialized in Records?
You find a website specialized in records, the first thing you do is searching your favorite game and take a look at the proofs of the firsts in this game.


I understand what you liked in the fact of connecting - sending - watching if you beat someone - leaving but it leaves members which get asked for proofs - not coming back - getting records deleted - get banned because they don't come again.

Anyone as his point of view in proving records, we were permissive. We changed our mind and went with the idea of proving 3%.