9999 points in many levels

This is possible now: http://www.wii-records.com/en-us/records.php?game_id=296

Not that I know of. There is only one level at which it is possible: Neuron Jungle. An insect floats in the air on a sheet of level. When you take the Pink, Red, Yellow or Green Yoshi and you eat it, you lose flower petals and do not die as it does not touch you. However, if you take Blue Yoshi or Pale Yoshi, you win three points. This insect appears to infinity. By accumulating points for 5 hours, you get closer to 5000 points. Knowing that with melons and other bonuses, you can get 5 200 points, you are sure to get the maximum score. There is only this level which is the maximum score possible. Zimer had used a TAS to other levels. I see that.

[quote=Lucario]Not that I know of. There is only one level at which it is possible: Neuron Jungle. An insect floats in the air on a sheet of level. When you take the Pink, Red, Yellow or Green Yoshi and you eat it, you lose flower petals and do not die as it does not touch you. However, if you take Blue Yoshi or Pale Yoshi, you win three points. This insect appears to infinity. By accumulating points for 5 hours, you get closer to 5000 points. Knowing that with melons and other bonuses, you can get 5 200 points, you are sure to get the maximum score. There is only this level which is the maximum score possible. Zimer had used a TAS to other levels. I see that.[/quote] Isn't a TAS proof that it is possible in game anyway? I don't think he used TAS on his posted scores. He is an Expert at exploiting Bugs and Glitches, so I am pretty sure that this is legit. He has been doing this for a good while. PMniac and I were one of the first to know of Zimer's findings when he first started. we have been following his attempts on this game since.

How can you say this is TAS? lol TAS stands for Tool-Assisted-Speedrun. -As far as I know those high scores are not even classified as speedruns. -Anyone could play on emulator and use the help of save states and stuff to discover new things, everyone is free to do that. -Glitches found on emulator can also be replicated on original console making it a legit score on a legit console. I trust Zimer, he has huge knowledge about glitches and exploits in games, and lots of years of experience :O

[quote=PMniac]How can you say this is TAS? lol TAS stands for Tool-Assisted-Speedrun. -As far as I know those high scores are not even classified as speedruns. -Anyone could play on emulator and use the help of save states and stuff to discover new things, everyone is free to do that. -Glitches found on emulator can also be replicated on original console making it a legit score on a legit console. I trust Zimer, he has huge knowledge about glitches and exploits in games, and lots of years of experience :O[/quote] Seriously, if he does his records no cheat, He would share his knowledge with us. Since it is the conservative still, he will not say anything as long as someone else find the solution. To tell you, his records are impossible because the enemies will not revive again. Once you kill the enemy, he does not come back to life. P-S: So how do we say that someone who cheats in a game if it is not TAS?

The most of these records on VGR are done on emulators, we must not forget that But on SSB games, I recognize that it has an excellent level

[quote=Lucario] Seriously, if he does his records no cheat, He would share his knowledge with us. Since it is the conservative still, he will not say anything as long as someone else find the solution. To tell you, his records are impossible because the enemies will not revive again. Once you kill the enemy, he does not come back to life. P-S: So how do we say that someone who cheats in a game if it is not TAS?[/quote] TAS is not the same as cheating. TAS isn't just allowed by VGR's conduit which every member should agree and respect. But in some websites like speedrun.com where you can post your speedruns and say they are TAS (Tool Assisted Speedrun). Cheating on the other hand are scores/times that were achieved with the use of cheat codes which can be used on emulators or with some external devices. Here you can get the definition of TAS in case I didn't explain my point very well ^_^ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool-assisted_speedrun --- Zimer wouldn't get any benefit from revealing the trick to VGR. 1- He has no way to do it because he was banned 2- IIRC he was banned for not revealing some of his strategies, why would he come back after all this time just to reveal one? (At least he was banned from CS for that reason which is sad :/ )

[quote=PMniac][quote=Lucario] Seriously, if he does his records no cheat, He would share his knowledge with us. Since it is the conservative still, he will not say anything as long as someone else find the solution. To tell you, his records are impossible because the enemies will not revive again. Once you kill the enemy, he does not come back to life. P-S: So how do we say that someone who cheats in a game if it is not TAS?[/quote] TAS is not the same as cheating. TAS isn't just allowed by VGR's conduit which every member should agree and respect. But in some websites like speedrun.com where you can post your speedruns and say they are TAS (Tool Assisted Speedrun). Cheating on the other hand are scores/times that were achieved with the use of cheat codes which can be used on emulators or with some external devices. Here you can get the definition of TAS in case I didn't explain my point very well ^_^ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool-assisted_speedrun --- Zimer wouldn't get any benefit from revealing the trick to VGR. 1- He has no way to do it because he was banned [b]2- IIRC he was banned for not revealing some of his strategies, why would he come back after all this time just to reveal one? (At least he was banned from CS for that reason which is sad [/b]:/ )[/quote] For Wiirecord, I don't like approach of gaming. You have the right to make team records with another player and do not ask questions when a score is surreal. I always played alone. To me it does not make me comfortable to make a record that I realized with one or more persons. It does not give me credit. Because I have not done alone or with a computer.

Zimer's records are possible. I know how those strategies are possible, but it's patience based, so I'm not going for those scores myself...

Lame. someone always has to spoil things.

btw: TAS also means, that you can do things, you normaly never figured out. Like the Wall Jump glitch on the Donkey Kong Game Boy Game(it's only possible with TAS) It's NOT just for speedrun training, you can always can go back an forward, frame per frame and save on every frame. Zimer might not want to say how he do things, because ppl will do the same and tie his records, but it is like this, if you don't want to say something, you hide something and noone know if he cheat, play on Original Console ect. May he know the bugs/glitches, but if he hide it, then it's his own fault if ppl don't trust him. I mean, what if i just post "impossible" max scores and say: "yeah, i was using a glitch and im the only one know how to do it". Thats why Zimer was banned here and on cyberscore for good reasons. If everyone just post scores and say later "it was a glitch" then we will have so many fake scores and everyone would believe they are true...

[quote=narutokyuby]The most of these records on VGR are done on emulators,l[/quote] Whoa, VGR allows emus? Never knew that. Kinda thinking about re-downloading my Genesis emulator now...

[quote=Undead]btw: TAS also means, that you can do things, you normaly never figured out. Like the Wall Jump glitch on the Donkey Kong Game Boy Game(it's only possible with TAS) It's NOT just for speedrun training, you can always can go back an forward, frame per frame and save on every frame. Zimer might not want to say how he do things, because ppl will do the same and tie his records, but it is like this, if you don't want to say something, you hide something and noone know if he cheat, play on Original Console ect. May he know the bugs/glitches, but if he hide it, then it's his own fault if ppl don't trust him. I mean, what if i just post "impossible" max scores and say: "yeah, i was using a glitch and im the only one know how to do it". Thats why Zimer was banned here and on cyberscore for good reasons. If everyone just post scores and say later "it was a glitch" then we will have so many fake scores and everyone would believe they are true...[/quote] Agree to 100%! If you do want to provide a hint mimunum for us to know how do you record what, we will never be if the record / time is possible or not. For fear of being beaten. Here is what bothers me to no end. Maybe he can make glitches, but I still have a flea in his ear that tells me he cheats again. Even it's maximum records, anyone can achieve this easily. If this is the only one to know, for me it is anti-competitive. You just have to compare with true sprinter Sonic games on Youtube. There is not any kind of deal to do if you do not have the right console.

[quote=hfactor66][quote=narutokyuby]The most of these records on VGR are done on emulators,l[/quote] Whoa, VGR allows emus? Never knew that. Kinda thinking about re-downloading my Genesis emulator now...[/quote] VGR does not allow Emulators for records posted here on VGR. I think narutokyuby meant that Zimer's scores on VGR were done on Emulator (whether or not that is true). The translation may have been off. "These" might have meant "his" or "their".

[quote=Dark Eon Master][quote=hfactor66][quote=narutokyuby]The most of these records on VGR are done on emulators,l[/quote] Whoa, VGR allows emus? Never knew that. Kinda thinking about re-downloading my Genesis emulator now...[/quote] VGR does not allow Emulators for records posted here on VGR. I think narutokyuby meant that Zimer's scores on VGR were done on Emulator (whether or not that is true). The translation may have been off. "These" might have meant "his" or "their".[/quote] Ah, that was my initial thought, but I had never read otherwise, so that clears up that confusion. Thank you :)

He uses emulator because he said he was playing on Virtual console but the most of games where post a score, games doesn't exist on virtual console. The only way to play on these games is to have the original console but zimer plays always on Wii and Virtual Console :) I proposed to zimer to do a list of these games, he refused

Really weird Naruto. Here why we cannot be sure to 100%. Get of good refenrences to help always better understand. But, when we don't want cooperate, it not help us in our cause. :damn:

[quote=Undead]btw: TAS also means, that you can do things, you normaly never figured out. Like the Wall Jump glitch on the Donkey Kong Game Boy Game(it's only possible with TAS)[/quote] Maybe that's true in Germany, but TAS does not mean that anywhere else. It's actually ridiculous that you said that, bro. What one simple peasant can't figure out is no reflection of what a wiser man can't figure out; not all are created equal it's basic genetics. TAS means one single thing in the English-speaking world, all: a speedrun that was executed in a frame-by-frame fashion, on an emulator. NOTHING ELSE. Tool-assisted speedrun. You can't use TAS to get records, the words are nonsense together. You can use an emulator to get amazing speedruns (times obviously NOT allowed on high score websites!). The runs themselves are called TAS's, not the technique, not the player. -------------- Now that it's cleared up, although it's not a very pure way to discover techniques (nor my style), you can't stop a given player from exploring games on emulators. AS LONG AS THE SCORES THEY SUBMIT ARE ON CONSOLE, IT'S LEGIT. For the record, Undead, the walljump technique in Donkey Kong (GB) only affects 10-12% of the levels, max. There are 100 levels; mastery of the walljump cannot explain single-handedly your humilating defeat by me on this game. GET OVER IT lol. An American called Tropicallo posted crazy YouTube runs that revealed the walljump years ago. It's no different than the walljump in Super Mario Bros. There's a proper frame to jump and if you learn the timing with practice, you can improve. He found the trick by practice, by the way, not with an emulator. He deserves credit and now the trick is immortalized. We move on. ------------------------ It appears Zimer has found new tricks, and a great high scorer Emperor91 has agreed they can be done in regular play with patience. This reminds me of his SM64 weird stuff... all very cool to his credit. You can't accusing him of TASing if he's submitting from a console. Use the words correctly.

Sry Prenz, but if you are that kind of "smart", why you didn't read, that i write "TAS is not only for speedrun [u]training[/u]" Thats mean, that ppl checking the possibility of an glitch/speed time with TAS first and then they try to reproduce it on Original Hardware. BUT the question here was not "Playing Highscores with TAS" it was the question: HOW to proof scores, if you found out a glitch but can not(or don't want) to say how you did it? Theres nothing like "im smarther then you" it's just a prooving thing that everyone can see there was no cheating. You are one of the guys, trying to figure out if ppl cheat and writing that. Still, ppl like Zimer never learn to comuncate and hide every secret. Thats why hes still a "cheater" on big Highscores sites like vgr and CS. Wii Records.com is just.... "you have a Picture, then the score is legit" bullshit. TAS for me is a Programm to use (like you said) frame-per-frame, savestats, back and forward buttons,slowdowns/speedups and the final are the video without seeing it. But it's also a way to find glitches/bugs faster and if you know it, you can try it on Original hardware. But still, why is someone "smarther" if they simple use a Programm to help them find something new and then everyone else sould trust that this score was made legit without prooving anything? And still, i don't care about your Donkey Kong Scores. It's YOU they try to provoke always with this nonsence. btw: If Emperor say that this score is legit, why he don't tell how it works (not that im interessted in playing Yoshi Story for scores) Can you say how it works or you just believe in Emperor because he have good scores? Get down of you Throne of "im the best", or ppl will stop talking with you the normal way. I can tell you what you are atm, but i have no idea to say it in englisch, but here in Germany we call it: "eingebildet", and thats a bad characteristic (i think "conceited" are the english word for this) But yeah, play your Games, play with Zimer if hes a legit Gamer, but stop that nonsence of, "haha i beat your score" this was years ago, and i think that "YOU CAN'T GET OVER IT" that i stopped playing it :ok:

Maybe "pretend" to be the best in made, Undead. From the way I preçois Zimer he thinks he's a god. Just think back to his mischievous avatar with Peach surrounded by prickly thorns. He thinks he has the answer to everything, but does not explain anything to defend. He's trying to say, "I did it legit." But it does not explain how he did it. It is rather vague explanations. If I can be at the same level qu'Emperor, his records are reliable as RyutoBCL. But I have a slight doubt about some aspects of the game to SSB for 3DS. In "Target Blast" I do not understand how he has to pass the "fire Bout" of Charizard to perfection during his second trial. I tried to do the same thing, but it was not high enough or far enough, because it blocks before the end point is assumed that happened to explode in the right place at the right time. You always used to attack others to support you Prenz. The only thing I do not understand is that grants to various people the right to post incredible time that can only be done on a specific console. I do not believe qu'Undead was specially Emperor. Here, we talk about: How did he do this if it is the only one in the world to have done? The only thing I can be proud is to have found a bug on a level where Yoshi does not feel the pieces on the ground. One day I decided accidentally hit the floor when I wanted to go in a pipe, two pieces mysteriously appeared in the sky above the palm trees of level 5-2. This is how I was able to break the maximum score of 5 541. Without nobody would have known these two additional hidden rooms.