Asking the community

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21/03/2017 17:03
#1
Lutonrules 1 mensagens
Hi everyone. My name is Nathan and I'm a student in the UK at Bournemouth University as well as a gaming YouTuber. As a part of my degree I have to write a feature story, which can be on anything I want. As such I thought it would be interesting to find out a bit more about this community of record breaking in video games.

So I was wondering if I could ask this community a few questions:

Firstly how much practice do you do for some of your attempts? I know some records will take much more time to get right than others but a rough idea would be great.

What are some of your favorite games to set records on? Why?

Finally, how often have you repeated record attempts, either to beat your own record or to better someone else's?


(Also if you could include your first name / country you're from so I can properly quote you that would be brilliant)
21/03/2017 19:28
#2
Basile 5278 mensagens
Hi! Welcome on VGR, Nathan!
I'll answer your questions, with the best english possible.. smile

I'm Basile, 23 years old from France.

1) Usually a lot of practice. If I manage to be the first, I'll make many tries as possible to have the best score.
Currently, I'm playing on mobile games. So, I think I make approximatly 5 to 10 attempts by record.

2) As I said, currently, it's very usefull to have score on my phone, because I can make them everywhere.
Nevertheless, my favorite games are on portable consoles (such as Nintendo DS, GameBoy...), because you can carry them everywhere easily, and try easily to improve yourself.
My favourite games are puzzle; race & tactical games (Mario Kart, Rally games, Advance wars, Pokemon...)

3) Every time somebody beats me on a game or a record in particular which I like, I'll try to beat him as soon as I can!
And if it's a die & retry game,, or a game with only one record (such as "high score"), if I like it, I'll make it several times a week, I think.

Good luck with my english smile
22/03/2017 08:55
#3
greendayseb 422 mensagens
Hi Nathan ! Welcome on VGR fellow gamer, I hope we'll see some records from you smile

I'm Sébastien, 21 from France

1) It depends actually. I don't tell myself "let's do 10 attempt" I usually play the same record until I get the position I target in the ranking (most of the time, 1st). I sometimes only need 1 attempt, so 2-5 minutes, but on some ultra competitive game (Crash Team Racing on PS1), I played for 3 days the same track in order to get the record I was aiming for.

2) My favorite games are racing ones, such as Need For Speed, Gran Turismo, Crash Team Racing, WRC, Colin McRae Rally, F1 games... Racing games because I love cars, time trial because the only judge is the Clock.

3) It depends, on games I like the less, i could play them once to get my records, and one more time if I get beaten.
On my favorite game, CTR on PS1, easy, I played almost only this game from mid 2010 to early 2013. Which means I repeatedly played the 18 same tracks improving myself from being a noob to getting my 1st WR, using the best techs possible. After 2013, I still keeped playing, but alternatively with other games.
22/03/2017 16:15
#4
paulws72 19 mensagens
Hi Nathan,

I'm Paul, from Holland.

1.) the amount of practice depends on your goals and the competition. I always aim for nr 1, but even with lots of practice , it's not always possible to get there. For some games you will need to do some research as well. maybe the competition found some loop hole or cheat to get better results, or maybe you overlooked some standard possibilities offered in the game.

But to answer your question: I can dedicate several days on one result. if I still don't succeed by then, I wil try another game.

2.) Racing games are my favorite. I love pushing virtual cars to its limits, and with it my own skills to do so. I like playing on a big screen as well, so I don't do games on phones or tablets.

3.) somewhere between once and 50+ attempts at a time. for my own records, I normally wait for someone to come up with a better score, then I go try again.
22/03/2017 19:20
#5
eVeR¤FRee 637 mensagens
Hi, answer in french for me.

me: eVeR¤FRee ; 21years ; Français en Haute-Savoie

Principalement j'essaye de proposer de nouveaux jeux ou records sur le site.
Secondement quand je sais que théoriquement un record peut être améliorer, je ne me gêne pas pour le faire remarquer aux membres concerné(e)s

1) je poste sur le site toutes mes premières tentatives pour participer.

2) les jeux de combats. Parce que j'aime le corps a corps et que ce type de jeu me permet de développer  différentes aptitudes :
la vitesse,
les connaissances du jeu,
les connaissances de ses propres capacités,
l'analyse des adversaires et des actions,
des plans tactiques et psychologiques,
du calcul,
des combos techniques,
l'adaptation,
la maitrise de soi, (émotions)
la rigueur, (j'ai beaucoup de travail à faire de ce côté la)
la mémoire,
le respect des adversaires.

3) soit 1 fois (rarement),
soit 10 à 12 fois (généralement),
soit +100 fois (exemple Super Smash Bros Mêlée 10 man)

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pour ton information il existe deux type de "recorder":
les "speedrunner" pour tous les records de type meilleurs temps; que soit un stage ou pour finir un jeu.
les "high-scoreur" pour les records points.

il existe aussi des sites:
Speed Demos Archive (SDA) qui permettent aux joueurs d'expliquer tous les détails qui leurs ont permis d'établir leurs records.
Games Done Quick qui permet à beaucoup de speedrunner de battre leur propre records en LiveStream et de faire gagner de l'argent à des associations caritatives.
22/03/2017 21:28
#6
TheRubyMoon 383 mensagens
Hello Chris!
I am Bradon from Canada.

(These answers are going to be filled with mario kart because that is the main reason I started nearing records)

Record breaking was the main thing when I grew up. A played Video games for practically my whole life so I have gotton to practice games for a long time.

1) Mario kart was a main thing (and still is) in my gaming career, it started my thirst for record breaking. Beating records took MANY attempts and they took hours to beat and months to perfect.

2) Much of my practice is in racing games like mario kart and super strategic games like pokemon battlefield. These of which, are my favourite games.

I grew up with my first game played being pokemon fireRed and first owned game Mario kart.
When a game allows you to beat a record of some time to go up in an online leader board was the main reason I started gaming and is why I have joined this site.
Mario kart allowed me to do that.

3) Every mistake could cost you when record breaking, which means that sometimes you need to start over and over and over, and/or other times you can continue and next time you can fix it until you have a perfect run. But overall that takes a long time. As I said in #1 many attempts took hours to beat because a mistake costed me a record race or high score and I had to start over. Every time cut/extra point pushed me up the rankings which makes me want to go further and further and perfect a strong run which would put me at the top of the rankings. The feeling that I get when I do so is what keeps me going, to push further with my capabilities and to beat records is what I do AND what everyone else does.


EXTRA:(IF you need more people there is a mario kart message board/forum that I'm in. That community is ALL about record breaking.)
22/03/2017 21:30
#7
TheRubyMoon 383 mensagens
Started beating*
Not---started nearing...
22/03/2017 23:50
#8
hfactor66 58 mensagens
Hello Nathan, interesting topic you chose for this project, I have to say. Well I have a lot to say about this topic, so buckle up, this is gonna be an essay in itself.

I'm hfactor66, an 18 year old casual/competitive gamer from the USA, and I got into record setting over on a site called The Sonic Center in late August 2014, when I picked up a little game called Sonic Rush. I discovered that I was pretty good at a category called Ring Attack, where the object is to finish the level with as many rings as possible. I think it's easy to tell I invested a lot of time into this, because it took me until March 2015 to become #1 in this category on TSC, and cuz I hold every record in this category on VGR. The main reason it took so long was that there were no maps for any of the stages for Sonic Rush online, so I went into every level blind and put together all my own strategies from scratch. Later I got Sonic Rush Adventure for Christmas, and did the same thing to that game. cool

Once I discovered CyberScore, a UK based competitive gaming site, (happy) and VGR, which was in June 2015, I branched out to any game that I could play that had records. I've since been playing games and attempting records. That about sums up my background in competitive gaming, so now I'll answer your questions.

1. how much practice do you do for some of your attempts? I know some records will take much more time to get right than others but a rough idea would be great.

For me, this depends on what game I'm playing, and what record I'm attempting to get. It could take anywhere from a few hours, to several days, to weeks, and sometimes, it takes months. Usually the easiest records for me to get are on puzzle games, or something on a mobile platform, and the ones that can take several days (sometimes literally) are games like Star Wars Battlefront, Happy Fall, Sonic games, COD game modes, like zombies for example, of which I am a huge fan of. I played a single game of zombies that lasted for six days. One of the records that took me the longest of all was the ring record for Mission 99 on Sonic Rush Adventure. About 4 days after I got the game, I had already gotten 480 rings on this stage, but it wasn't enough to get the record, so I kept trying, and trying, and trying, and no luck whatsoever. It simply would not give me a layout that had enough rings to beat the record. It wasn't until September 19th, 2016, a whopping 9 months later, that I finally got a layout with enough rings to claim the record.

2. What are some of your favorite games to set records on? Why?

My favorite games to set records on are COD games and Sonic games, simply put because they're my two favorite video game franchises. I grew up with these games, and competitive gaming gave me new reasons to play them again, this time as a much more skilled player. I always get a sense of accomplishment whenever I set a record on one of these games, because it gives me a chance to reflect on all the time I invested into getting it, giving me a sense of pride in my achievement.

3. Finally, how often have you repeated record attempts, either to beat your own record or to better someone else's?

Like the first question, it depends on the game, and the record itself. I can tell you that most of my Sonic records have taken anywhere between a few dozen attempts and a few hundred attempts, a select few possibly on the verge of a thousand plus attempts. I have two distinct examples of these select few records.

1.  Sonic Colors DS - Asteroid Coaster Mission 2 - High Score
When I first attempted this bonus level, just one day after buying the game no less, I managed to beat the top score pretty easily. Little did I know, that this would spawn a rivalry between me and the current record holder that would last for months. From June 2015 until March 2016, we battled for that top spot, finding tons of new tricks along the way, pushing this score as high as it can possibly go, and to be honest, where it sits right now, is probably the highest score possible for a human player to get. lol I've never been able to tie him since, the strat requires extreme amounts of perfection to score as high as we have.

2. Sonic Rush - Altitude Limit VS Boss - Time Attack (Blaze)
When I discovered an attack pattern on this boss that went unfound for nearly 10 years after this game was released, I stared in disbelief at my DSi when I messed it up at the end. I couldn't believe my eyes, but I knew that it existed, because had I not messed it up, I would have crushed the world record. Well, after a solid month of trying again & again & again, the ultra rare attack pattern showed itself once again. This time, I nailed it, and crushed the world record by over 3 seconds... only to have it get beaten a few days later by the one & only master of bosses on Sonic Rush, a player named sonicandamy. At this point, I had invested so much time into it that I was just burned out, so I let him have it.

That's about all I got, so if you need more from me, send me a PM or just reply to me here, either one works, cuz I have tons of stories to tell. smile I wish you luck on your feature story, and through the rest of your college days Nathan.

-That American guy, hfactor66
23/03/2017 15:12
#9
greendayseb 422 mensagens
And here, people, are gamers in their natural habit, commenting the passion and how hard we try to be the best. lol
23/03/2017 20:44
#10
Basile 5278 mensagens

greendayseb :

And here, people, are gamers in their natural habit, commenting the passion and how hard we try to be the best. lol


"in their natural habit"
In fact, we are all writing our message naked, in our bath hidden
23/03/2017 22:27
#11
Dark Eon Master 1917 mensagens

Lutonrules :

Hi everyone. My name is Nathan and I'm a student in the UK at Bournemouth University as well as a gaming YouTuber. As a part of my degree I have to write a feature story, which can be on anything I want. As such I thought it would be interesting to find out a bit more about this community of record breaking in video games.

So I was wondering if I could ask this community a few questions:

Hello, and Welcome to VGR. smile
Interesting topic you have chosen. I would like to help by answering your questions as well.

Lutonrules :

Firstly how much practice do you do for some of your attempts? I know some records will take much more time to get right than others but a rough idea would be great.

It depends on the kind of record. Some Records are simple and easy. Those usually take a few minutes of trying. Some are much more time consuming. I usually like to play the more time consuming ones, so I tend to take a few days on a single record to make sure I can get the best personal score that I can achieve. The Longest I have spent on a single record is probably Lakitu Launch on both Super Mario 64 DS and New Super Mario Bros. took me Months to get the World Record, and months to improve it to having it Much past the previous WR holder's score. Overall, it was about a year spent on that one single record. dead

Lutonrules :

What are some of your favorite games to set records on? Why?

Mostly Mini-game type records with a highscore, like Mario Party games. I loved the New Super Mario Bros. (DS) mini-games. Games now a days don't have the same quality of mini-games with records like they used to have. well

Lutonrules :

Finally, how often have you repeated record attempts, either to beat your own record or to better someone else's?

Other than Mini-Games like Lakitu Launch, I usually try as many times as I can within a day or two.
Since I do work and have other obligations, Trying as many times as I can within a day or two, becomes as many times I can try within the small amount of free time that I get in those days. Usually around 2-3 hours worth of attempts. This is for the more skilled type games. Puzzle games can easily be beaten within a few minutes (at least, you can realize quickly if you can even beat it).
Honestly, I never thought to count the number of attempts I usually do per record. If I were to think of Home Run Contest on Smash 4, an Average of 10 seconds per attempt, times the number of hours usually spent (2-3), equals about 720-1080 attempts. surprised wow. That is per character (though some of the 57 characters are much easier than others.)

Lutonrules :

(Also if you could include your first name / country you're from so I can properly quote you that would be brilliant)

My Name is Erik, and I am from the United States of America. yes
30/03/2017 11:52
#12
zephyraz 3282 mensagens
Bon, tout d’abord, mon nom est Nicolas, j’ai 39 ans et je viens de France. J’ai commencé à jouer aux  jeux vidéo en 1982…whistle

1) Cela dépend de l’intérêt qu’on a pour un jeu, de sa propre difficulté, du temps qu’il faut pour débloquer toutes les options bonus qui nous permettent ensuite de viser le record.
Certains jeux possèdent déjà dans leur menu la possibilité de changer la difficulté. Parfois il faut refaire le jeu en intégralité pour espérer avoir un record, et donc cela dépend de la durée de vie du jeu. Certains jeux misent plus sur la technique ou les réflexes, d’autres sur la tactique ou la stratégie. Il y a aussi le facteur chance qui intervient, et cela dépend de l’IA. L’important est de bien connaître le jeu pour comprendre comment améliorer son temps ou son score.

Ensuite, tout dépend des adversaires qui détiennent les records.
En observant leurs profils, certains sont spécialistes d’un type de jeu, voire de 4 ou 5 jeux seulement. Cela devient donc encore plus difficile de les battre sur leur propre terrain.
Mais c’est aussi très valorisant lorsqu’on y arrive.
Ce qui est fou sur VGR, c’est qu’on peut y voir des records uniques qui demandent plus de 100 heures de jeu, et d’autres qui sont réalisables en quelques secondes.

Selon moi, l’ attachement sentimental à un jeu est souvent plus fort que l’attrait des points ou du nombre de 1ère places qu’il peut t’apporter. C’est pourquoi je peux jouer des dizaines d’heures à certains jeux que j’adore, où je sais malgré tout que cela ne sera pas forcément visible ou populaire ici. J’espère juste que le temps passé à jouer à ces excellents jeux se verra un jour, et que je pourrai ensuite discuter de ces jeux avec des concurrents, qui deviennent nos meilleurs sources de motivation, mais aussi de bons amis pour la plupart.

2) Mes jeux favoris pour les records sont ceux qui me donnent le plus de plaisir à y jouer, puis le plus de satisfaction à les obtenir.
Si certains préfèrent par facilité jouer aux jeux rapides et faciles pour grimper rapidement aux classements quantitatifs de VGR, ce n’est pas vraiment ce que je recherche.
En général, je vise les records où les jeux ont une certaine qualité, une difficulté et qui demandent patience et expérience pour les obtenir.
En plus, je ne crois pas pouvoir tenir longtemps le rythme sur des jeux techniques ou physiques où des jeunes de 20 ans sont mes concurrents. C’est déjà incroyable que je reste encore 1er sur certains….

3) Je n’aurai pas répondu à cette question à mes débuts sur VGR, pour ne pas donner d’indication sur mes jeux auxquels j’ai beaucoup joué. Mais finalement, je finis par y répondre :

Dans les années 90, les jeux n’étaient pas aussi démocratisés que maintenant.
En France en 2017, un jeu vidéo next gen  (PS4/XBOX ONE) s’ achète neuf autour de 55-60 E, ce qui représente environ 6h de travail rémunéré au salaire minimum. Dans les années 90, cela représentaitait 14 h de travail… Conséquence : les jeux se gardaient plus longtemps, et on y jouait beaucoup plus, quel que soit la durée de vie du jeu.
Actuellement, on trouve une énorme quantité de petits jeux indépendants, notamment sur smartphone, dont certains sont très accessibles, voire gratuits…

Donc, pour répondre à ta question, j’ai beaucoup plus joué aux jeux Genesis et Saturn qu’aux jeux Playstation (sauf bonnes exceptions).
Pour Streets of Rage II, j’ai dû jouer une bonne centaine de fois (1h par partie).
Pour NBA Showdown'94, j’ai joué 30 saisons complètes de 26 matchs, avec la durée réelle de 4x12 minutes. Soit environ 800 heures…
Bonne chance à ceux qui voudraient me reprendre ce record ! cool
Récemment, je me suis replongé avec plaisir dans la série des NBA2K, où j’ai aumoins fait une saison complète de 82 matchs (soit 100h minimum environ par jeu...).

Pour certains records de jeux de rallye comme WRC2 Extreme ou WRC4, avant que je sois inscrit sur VGR, j’avais beaucoup roulé sur certaines spéciales. Récemment, mon coéquipier et Membre Légendaire greendayseb a encore sublimé ces excellents records !
C’est le seul à vraiment comprendre ce que l’on peut ressentir quand on bataille pour quelques détails, et quand on maîtrise la manette comme une extension de soi-même. Quand on arrive à ce genre de limites, c’est une sensation extraordinaire.happy
On s’amuse toujours à se reprendre certains records, quand on en a l’envie et le temps.

Pour répondre à ta question, je peux lui reprendre des records 2 ou 3 fois, mais après, vu nos qualités, cela devient extrêmement compliqué…
Pour d’autres jeux qui dépendent de trop de variables (utilisation d’un volant/souris/manette  spéciale, difficulté ou réglages paramétrables, présence de glitchs ou de DLC), je me satisfais juste de battre l’IA dans ces cas-là.
Parfois cela suffit sur VGR, mais pas sur le long terme.
Je ne dénigre pas non plus certains « petits » jeux (qui ne suivent pas l’ évolution graphique et ludique des next-gen), mais les records maxables (limités, qui ne peuvent être battus) sont pour moi moins intéressants. A partir du moment où il y a de la concurrence, l’intérêt n’est plus le jeu en lui-même mais son côté compétitif. Et puis cela nous fait découvrir de nouvelles façons de jouer, et l’expérience vidéoludique devient plus riche et variée.


Pour conclure, VGR m’a poussé à rejouer à certains jeux que j’adorais, et ce n’est que du plaisir, quelle que soit la place occupée au final. smile
J’espère que tu sauras partager cette passion avec nous, et que d’autres personnes viendront nombreuses sur VGR. Surtout si elles ont aumoins 1 record ou 1 jeu qu’ils apprécient.ok


Hello, Nathan


First, it’s nice to see that nowadays you can still speak about the  topic of your choice, it’s not always the case during the studies. Of course, our gamers community has lot of different stories to tell about our gaming experience, it’s surprisingly more rich and various than I also expected when I discovered this amazing site.

Well, first of all, my name is Nicolas, I'm 39 and I come from France. I started playing video games in 1982...  whistle

1) It depends on the interest we have for a game, of its own difficulty, of the time that it takes to unlock all bonus options that allow us then to aim for the record.
Some games already have the ability to change the difficulty in their Menu. Sometimes you must redo the entire game to expect a record, and so it depends on the length of the game
Some games rely more on the technique or reflexes, others on tactics or strategy. There is also the luck factor which intervenes, and depends on the AI. The important thing is to know the game to understand how to improve its time or its score.

Then, it depends on the opponents who hold the records.
Observing their profiles, some are specialists of one type of game, or even 4 or 5 games only. Therefore, it becomes even more difficult to beat on their own ground. But it's also very rewarding when you get there.
What is crazy on VGR, is that you can see unique records that require more than 100 hours of play, and others that are achievable within a few seconds.

In my view, the sentimental attachment to a game is often stronger than the attraction of points or the number of 1st places it can bring you. That's why I can play dozens of hours some games that I love, where I know anyway that it may not be visible or popular here. I just hope that the time spent playing in these great games will be visible one day, and I can then discuss these games with competitors, who become our best sources of motivation, but also good friends for the most part.

2) My favorite games for records are those that give me the most fun to play, then the most satisfaction to get them. If some prefer for easeto  play fast and easy games to climb quickly to VGR quantitative rankings, this isn't really what I'm looking for. In general, I aim for records where the games have a certain quality, difficulty and requiring patience and experience to get.  
Besides, I don't think I can keep up for a long time on technical, physical or nervous games where I compete with 20 year olds guys. It's already amazing I still have 1st place on some games...

3) I have not answered to this question when I started on VGR, for not giving an indication of my games that I played a lot. But in the end, I finally answer:

In the 90’s, the games were not as democratized as now. In France in 2017, a next-gen video game (PS4/XBOX ONE) can be bought (new) around 55-60 E, which is about 6 hours of salary, work at the minimum wage. In the 1990s, it was about 14 hours of work... Consequence: the games kept longer, and we played much more, regardless of the duration life of the game.
Nowadays, there is a huge amount of small independent games, including on smartphone, and some are very accessible, or even free...

So, to answer your question, I much more played games of Genesis and Saturn systemsgames than Playstation (with good exceptions).
For Streets of Rage II, I had to play a hundred times (1 hour per part).
For NBA Showdown'94, I played 30 seasons of 26 matches, with the actual duration of 4 x 12 minutes. Approximately 800 hours... Good luck to those who would take back this record ! cool.
Recently, I relapsed with pleasure in the NBA2K series, where I have at least done a full season of 82 games (either 100 h minimum per game).

For some records in rally games like WRC2 Extreme or WRC4, until I am registered on VGR, I had much driven on some special stages. Recently, my teammate and Legendary Member greendayseb has yet sublimated these excellent records.
He's the only one who truly understand what it feels when we battle for some details, and when we control the controller as an extension of ourself. When it comes to this kind of limits, it's a great feeling. happy
It’s always fun to get back certain records when you have the desire and time.

To answer your question, I can take back these records 2 or 3 times, but after that, given our qualities, it becomes extremely complicated...
For other games that depend on too many variables (using a special wheel/mouse/joystick, difficulty or settings configured, presence of glitches or DLC), I’m just satisfied to beat the AI in these cases. Sometimes it's enough on VGR, but not on the long term.
I do not disparage some “small' games (which do not follow graphic and fun of the next-gen evolution), but the maxables records (limited, which cannot be beaten) are to me less interesting.
If there is competition, the interest is less the game in itself but its competitive edge. And then it makes us discover new ways to play, and the gaming experience becomes more rich and various.  


To conclude, VGR pushed me to play some games that I loved, and what fun happy, regardless of the place in the end.  smile I hope you'll be able to share this passion with us, and that many other people will come on VGR. Especially if they have at least 1 record or 1 game they enjoy.ok
30/08/2017 13:38
#13
zephyraz 3282 mensagens
Thanks to Nathan "Lutonrules" Quinn. I finally found he wrote this nice article about records and VGR:
An introduction into breaking world records in video games.

I hope you will share this article with many other people, or speak about VGR in social media or in your YouTube channel. And come back here to send more records. ok
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