[rule] compilation or original?

Hi,
I think we could also have a rule about compilations... let's see if you like it ;)

Questions to discuss:

When is a compilation (compilation = Namco Classics, Mega Drive Collection, etc) added as a new game and when do players have to post in the original games?

>> New game
- when there are special features like additional difficulties, save or more lifes
- when there are new levels that never existed in any original game
- when the games are adapted or changed to the new console in a way that it's no longer comparable to the classics (Game & Watch Gallery etc).
- when it's possible to prove things that are not provable in the classics (like in the classics you have to make your screenshot right after playing, in the compilations the scores are saved in a certain ranking where you can see which difficulty or which setting you used).
- when the game is for arcade-versions, no console-versions.
- when the maxscore is different in the compilation than in the original


>> Post in the classics please
- when the versions included on the collection are 100% the same (especially for 2 in 1 packs as they exist on PSP, at least if you can call this \"compilation\").
other examples: it should be allowed to post in the NES games, when you unlocked them in Animal Crossing (like you can play gamecube-games on wii - and virtual console is allowed too).

I don't think compilations should be allowed. There are some games(and I'm looking in Sonic's direction here) which have the same record category repeated in multiple games. In the case of Sonic, the level is the same.

The exception would be if the level was completely different on both versions.

If you were to ban compilations, a list of compilations pointing people in the right direction(eg. Sonic Mega Plus Collection having links to Sonic&Knuckles on the Mega Drive) would be needed I think

thelegendarypsr :

If you were to ban compilations, a list of compilations pointing people in the right direction(eg. Sonic Mega Plus Collection having links to Sonic&Knuckles on the Mega Drive) would be needed I think

On the game page, we could list the compilation that we know of that include the game and compilation that are not allowed. Cause some players might have a compilation and not know if it's the original version or not.
Like I was wondering if the Namco Collection released on Wii, that include 16 original were allowed here for posting on those 16 games.

Yes complations shouldn´t be added when the games itself are already on VGR and the game are unchanged on the records. The duplicate of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Majora´s Mask should be deleted.

one more idea:
we can make a new console button \"compilation version\"
and there we split all compilations to the games that exist on it (like sonic 1, flicky etc are seperated games then - but when they exist on 3 different collections, everyone posts in the same sonic or flicky).
when the retro game is comparable to the compilation version, we just add the console button \"compilation version\".
then, it would be easier to see and then we wouldn't have the same game 5x.

totally agree

Je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous :

les jeux compilé sont parfois trop différents des jeux d'origine et ne doivent pas être regroupé .
J'ai par contre une exception à ça : les jeux compilé sur la console d'origine et ne changeant pas .
Exemple : GTA edition collector qui regroupe GTA 1 , 2 et GTA london , sortie sur PS1 mais qui n'a rien de plus ou de moins que les versions d'origine ( chaque jeu est même sur un CD différent ) .

I do not agree with you:

games are compiled sometimes too different from the original games and should not be combined.
I cons by an exception to this: the games compiled on the original console and does not change.
Example: GTA Collector's Edition which includes 1, 2 and gta london, exit on PS1 but nothing more or less than their original versions (each game is different even on a CD).

( Sorry , I use GGtranslation )

C'est vraiment un problème d'avoir un jeu original et une compilation le comprenant ?

Bah Djon, si la compilation ne fait que le contenir, je ne vois pas pourquoi on devrait séparer les scores qui sont identiques au final.

Je possède Metal Slug Anthology sur Wii, est-ce pour autant une raison suffisante pour poster mes scores sur les versions Neo Geo ? Je pense pas.

même si le jeu est globalement le même, pour poster un score il faut posséder le jeu selon moi. donc si tu possèdes la compilation tu postes sur la compil' et non pas sur l'original.

Le nombre de compilation de jeux-vidéo étant relativement faible autant les valorisé ça fait un joli badge en plus :)

@Djon : In this case the game isn't on the same plateform, so you can't post on the neo geo version.

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So I think :

For the exemple of GTA Collection PS1 which include GTA game on PS1 => Not Add the Compilation as a New Game

BUT for the compilation \"retro-gaming\" make a new game as a collection of game like Metal Slug Anthology, Super Mario All-Stars, Zelda Collector Edition..

Djon :

So I think :

For the exemple of GTA Collection PS1 which include GTA game on PS1 => Not Add the Compilation as a New Game

BUT for the compilation \"retro-gaming\" make a new game as a collection of game like Metal Slug Anthology, Super Mario All-Stars, Zelda Collector Edition..

That makes no sense. Complations are logically always made of old games.
What about all the Virtual Console games which are unchanged?
When the games are changed in any way that relates to the records, then the compilation should be added.
If the games are exactly the same the compilation shouldn´t be added.
Simple as that.
Zelda Collector Edition has the same Ocarina of Time and Majora´s Mask nad it´s not unfair to anyone to competitive with each other.

agreed super_toon_link, if there is no difference in the games, they shouldn't be added again

If we want more competition, we got to regroup them. As long as they are the same.

So what are the difference in the games which justify to add a new game ?

The Best solution is to find all compilation games on VGR and choose to keep or to delete them with a explanation according to the rule.

I Start :

-Metal Slug Anthology, and all Metal Slug add to different console like PSP, XBOX.. : Same game like Neo Geo

=> CREATE 1 CHARTS BY GAME?

-Super Mario All-Stars (SNES) : Little bit different design (16bits instead of 8Bits), gameplay little bit different, easier than NES Version for the SMB 1 but i don't know for the other

=> KEEP ON VGR ? DELETE ?

-Super Mario All-Stars - 25th Anniversary (WII) : pretty much the same version like SNES but oldies means \"lag of one second\" to the gameplay on Wii - more difficult

=> KEEP ON WII ? GO THE SNES ? DELETE ?

Hello !

A strong attention is needed when we add multi versions games, it should be the same if you want mix the original with the collection games.
I don’t want to make a list of games which can be mixed with the original version because I think it will spend too many time to ask concerning people, case by case, and it’ s a little bit late now.

I think that people should first post their records in the version that they possess, and after, eventually if they are sure that there is no difference in the way of playing the game (levels, speed of the game, additionnal bonuses), the choice should be given to them to post also in the original version, but only  if they possess both versions.

Nevertheless, I will explain with my personnal case : I have Sonic 1 and 2 and Streets of Rage 1 and 2 on Megadrive and on Sega Megadrive Ultimate Collection on PS3.

Case 1 : For Sonic 1 and 2, levels are the same. I would like to post my best records in both versions, because I think it’s stupid to spend time twice on the same levels and games, no ? What do you think about this ?

Case 2 : For Streets of Rage 1 and 2, we can make a Save in the PS3 version, at each moment in the game, so the two versions have a structural difference for establishing records : these versions should not be mixed together.

Case 3 : For other games of the Collection, my personnal conscience limits me to post only my records in the Collection version. But if somebody wants to make a list of games where it’s authorized to post records in the original version, please tell me !

Because each game needs specific rules, I already proposed for the next V6 of VGR that a « Rules » button or window needs to appear when we click on the game name .  Now, why not add a kind of « Original version mixed records permission », just to avoid to open future problem messages for these games ?

You are obviously never allowed to post in both version when you only made it in 1 version.
Either it gets added as one on VGR or you have to play it twice.

Djon :

-Super Mario All-Stars (SNES) : Little bit different design (16bits instead of 8Bits), gameplay little bit different, easier than NES Version for the SMB 1 but i don't know for the other

For me, Mario Allstars is more a remake of the classics - so it's changed and adapted too much to be combined (like game & watch gallery or game & watch collection ds is also more a remake (=changed and adapted (only based on the old games).
I think that combinable are really only those that were left unchanged (like on virtual console, the classics are left unchanged too.).
I think remakes can stay the way they are now.

Sorry for my english, don't know if you will understand all but, What about this :

A compilation of games should be separated only if the games are different from the original version. Where some games in the compilation are different, and another identical, the compilation will include only the different games. The scores achieved with an identical games, will be posted on the original version.