Calcul des points : la faille V2.0

la conservation de la formule actuelle pour le calcul des points de chaque record, et donc l'établissement des classements de chaque jeu, associée au remplacement du classement général par points par le classement "pointsjeux" que propose Djon me semble être la meilleure solution, car elle incitera encore plus chaque membre à poster tous ses scores pour être le mieux classé possible au classement général d'un jeu.
j'ai peur que la formule de BlackShark fasse l'effet inverse, c'est à dire dissuader les membres de poster les records "maxables" pour ne poster que les records sans égalités; or, ces scores "maxables, même si souvent plus faciles et (trop) nombreux restent tout de même des scores, donc une idée qui pousse les joueurs à poster tous leurs records, quels qu'ils soient est la meilleure des idées.
voilà pourquoi j'ai voté pour l'idée de Djon avec conservation de la formule actuelle pour l'établissement du classement de chaque jeu.

In the current system (PointsRecords), where lone submission in a record gives you just 100 points. Even if there were, let's say 10 people playing the game, but who doesn't submit a record in this chart for various reasons.

My point is that basically, the person who submitted a record beats everyone who haven't submitted and thus would deserve more points. So instead of calculating the points from the amount of players submitted for that record, we could calculate points from the amount of players from the game leaderboard.

Just something I thought that could probably be an addition to Djon's idea, if supported.

Smoka :

In the current system (PointsRecords), where lone submission in a record gives you just 100 points. Even if there were, let's say 10 people playing the game, but who doesn't submit a record in this chart for various reasons.

My point is that basically, the person who submitted a record beats everyone who haven't submitted and thus would deserve more points. So instead of calculating the points from the amount of players submitted for that record, we could calculate points from the amount of players from the game leaderboard.

Just something I thought that could probably be an addition to Djon's idea, if supported.

This is an idea that would be good for those records that are unlockable where you need skill to unlock it. so if people don't post for it, it probably means they weren't able to unlock it, which would make sense to get points for those who post on the game, but not that record. Like this record: Survival Rush - Best Time
to unlock it, you need to get Every Single Medal in the Entire Game's Story Mode before you even unlock this Mini-game, then you have to Clear it completely before you even get a record. Probably the reason why I am the only one who posted it right now. My Brother and sister failed to Complete Survival Rush on my file, but they don't have it on their files.
So in your idea, I should get points more than 100 for being the only one who posted while there are other players on the game.
If it is an easy record, then there is no problem because eventually that record will get filled and the formula would return to normal.

Trueachievements.com have the same idea: if somebody unlocked an achievement that nobody ever unlocked before, he will get a lot of points, based on the amount of total players.

It would increase the number of submission in every chart of a game, and minimize a bit easy records.


I don't think a formula is possible... is it possible to link the formula to the amount of players in the game?

Dark Eon Master :

So in your idea, I should get points more than 100 for being the only one who posted while there are other players on the game.
If it is an easy record, then there is no problem because eventually that record will get filled and the formula would return to normal.

Exactly. That's a good example. So with 14 players in the game, I guess you would get 1400 points from that record.

That kind of formula is possible, but as DEM said, it's a good idea for unlockable records.
But what will be the impact about DLCs? I don't think it's fair enough.

@yi : Si le fait que les gens ne postent pas de score "maxable" car ils ne rapporteraient pas assez de points avec la formule de blackshark te déplaît, alors pour quelle raison ma formule, sortie de l'idée de Flo', ne te convient pas ?
Ce que tu propose c'est : Nombre de PointsJeu = Nombre de PointsBadge (calculé en fonction du classement pointRecord de chaque jeu, selon la formule actuelle)
Ce que je propose c'est : Nombre de PointsJeu = Moyenne(Nombre de PointsRecords, Nombre de records) + Nombre de PointsBadge (calculé en fonction du classement pointRecord de chaque jeu, selon la formule de BlackShark).

De part l'utilisation de la moyenne, si un joueur ne poste pas de score sous prétexte qu'il est "maxable" et ne rapporte pas assez de point, cela le plombe totalement car au lieu d'avoir, ne serait-ce qu'une 40aine de points en plus, il en aurait 0 et il donne moins d'importance aux autres scores postés (dépends du nombre de records dans le jeu)

Utiliser la formule actuelle pour n'utiliser que les PointsBadge serait, à mon sens, donner trop de valeur aux maxables et égalités faciles

niconoe :

That kind of formula is possible, but as DEM said, it's a good idea for unlockable records.
But what will be the impact about DLCs? I don't think it's fair enough.

-- I don't know if it's an argument, but the community of Trueachievements recently voted to increase the points given on DLCs -- the points were based on the total players for the DLC, now the points you earn are based on the total players on the game.

DLCs are part from a game.
-- If you look at the xbox achievements or PS3 trophies, you don't have 100% on a game if you didn't finish every DLC.

Well, after the poll results, it seems that the Djon's idea is the choosen one!

So, we keep the actual formula for pointRecords. For each games, the rank is set by order in pointRecords. The rank on the game will give you Gamepoints, in function of your rank and the number of players on the game.
For all games, we will get the sum of all your Gamepoints and you'll be ranked on VGR with this value. Is it OK for all of you?

Thanks a lot.
The update will occurs before end of 2013

niconoe :

Well, after the poll results, it seems that the Djon's idea is the choosen one!

So, we keep the actual formula for pointRecords. For each games, the rank is set by order in pointRecords. The rank on the game will give you Gamepoints, in function of your rank and the number of players on the game.
For all games, we will get the sum of all your Gamepoints and you'll be ranked on VGR with this value. Is it OK for all of you?

Thanks a lot.
The update will occurs before end of 2013

It's ok for me.
I just have a question, will the actual Points Rankings disappear, or just become a minor ranking ?

Ultim'D :

niconoe :

Well, after the poll results, it seems that the Djon's idea is the choosen one!

So, we keep the actual formula for pointRecords. For each games, the rank is set by order in pointRecords. The rank on the game will give you Gamepoints, in function of your rank and the number of players on the game.
For all games, we will get the sum of all your Gamepoints and you'll be ranked on VGR with this value. Is it OK for all of you?

Thanks a lot.
The update will occurs before end of 2013

It's ok for me.
I just have a question, will the actual Points Rankings disappear, or just become a minor ranking ?

I think it is also ok for me.
I think it will stay, but will be a minor ranking. At least, I hope it does.

niconoe :

That kind of formula is possible, but as DEM said, it's a good idea for unlockable records.
But what will be the impact about DLCs? I don't think it's fair enough.

Ok, well we already have "General Leaderboard" and "General Leaderboard without DLC", so how about having leaderboard for main game and leaderboard for DLC and then split the GamePoints you'll get from the game between them based on the amount of record charts each have.

So if the main game has 75 records and DLC 25 records, you'll get 75 percent of GamePoints from the main game and 25 percent from DLC. I think that would be a fair way to deal with it.

Once the PointsGame gets implemented, It will be fairer to make a Game Series Ranking for Game Series like Mario Kart Series, Super Smash Bros. Series, Mario Party Series, Guitar Hero Series, etc.

What I mean with Game Series Ranking

Is there a planned Month that the new Formula will be implemented? Only information I have seen is that it will be before the end of 2013, but will it be in December or sooner?

@DEM: Ranks with series is not the best we can do
Also, for the month of developement, I have to finish lots of things before having a little milli-second to spend for that implementation... I really don't know when I will do it, and it also depends on personnal situation.

L'idée de Dark Son Master sur les Games Séries Ranking est excellente, j'ai hâte de voir ça à l'oeuvre si ça se fait.

niconoe :

@DEM: Ranks with series is not the best we can do

Ah tu as d'autres idées en tête ?

@niconoe I know it isn't the best VGR can do, but I really would like to have Series Rankings.
What things do you think we will be capable of once the PointsGame gets implemented?

@iArcadia I have made a Series Ranking for Super Smash Bros Series by PointsRecord. I can do any series that is on VGR, but It will probably be like SSB Series where the Game with More Records and More people will be a big influence on your ranking in the series, at least with PointsRecord it is.
I can make a New Topic for it.

Dark Eon Master :

What things do you think we will be capable of once the PointsGame gets implemented?

I can't tell more because some guy named magicbart would kill me

Y a-t-il une date de mise en prod' du Top 100 jeux en parallèle au Top 100 records ?

On va essayer avant fin décembre 2013

J'espère que ça arrivera vite.

Malheureusement pour lui Flothaboss va perdre sa première place du site :x

Yeah, my initial suspicions are that naruto will go top. he is not that far behind Zimer on the master badge rankings, but the sheer volume of non-MB games that naruto has is far greater than that of Zimer, so naruto theoretically should go top.