[OK] Zuma Deluxe cheats and cheaters

Finally, it is now time to put the light on the game Zuma Deluxe, where I slowly but surely accumulated evidences of cheats.

This game leads VGR with the amounts of posted scores (over 65000 on 4232 available, really far from the Flow sagas, but which can’t be reasonably compared ), and 63 people are directly concerned about it.
It reveals how the problem is important…
But last months, I felt that I was the only one to be amazed by the broken records, probably because I established before this records myself, and I well know how it is difficult to reach.
I am not used to denounce somebody here in the public forum, I always try to establish trust and respect between everybody, with asks for conciliations. But in this case, it overpass the limits since a too long time.
Due to all of this, I hope lot of people will consider my ask as serious as possible.
With VGR Tournament 4 and other stuffs, I was too busy last months to take care about that sooner.
It was even worst for me, because I was directly affected by the lost of tens of plats (more than 200), even if it was unlegit and unfair for myself ! However, I stayed cool, ready to loose every round.

That’s why I’m now ready to accuse 2 players here, FilipJack2000 and BlitzPhoenix98, of cheating by using unauthorized parameters modifications.
The main cheat can be a modification of the speed of the game, which can explain the rest of incredible scores, in the 7 main categories of records.

With more than 4000 scores, it is sometimes more easy to understand a logical, especially when there is a cheat.

For BlitzPhoenix 98, he was the first I suspected with his hundreds of crazy times, sometimes more than 30s better than the others.
But he has “only” posted 496 scores. Among them, 66 are made in Adventure Best time, and 265 in Practice Best Time. Now, he has only 62 plats (platinums medals), but he had around 400 before FilipJack came here. So, more than 80% were suspect (to not say all).
Even if he proved “only” 88 records (18%), I know both as a player and a controller that it is still not a reproach if you can’t prove all your scores. You need to know the circumstances of the game, and here, it is clear that the thousands of records are the limiting factor, even for the bests.
That’s why, until now, I had nothing to reproach  to him, even if I found all his times really suspicious.

For FilipJack2000, he is the reason why I changed my opinion about strange records.
Simply because , due to the repetition of plats in all categories, he forced me to understand how this scores can be possible, and I found !!!
When you look at his proofs, it was clear that he used a cheat.
I searched how, and what I found was the worst for me and VGR.
That’s why I quickly warned some members of the staff, first without informations on the game.
They all confirmed me, in 3 separate  steps, that we can consider what I found like a cheat…

Sorry if I don’t put already details, because it can be long (…), and I think I will be obliged after.
Staff members know this details, and together we think it is better that you don’t know all of them for the moment.

Now, with what I discovered, I even don’t need video proofs for accusating them of cheating.
So I recommend:
- For BlitzPhoenix98: deletion of all his Zuma Deluxe scores + ban 6 months
- For FilipJack2000:  deletion of all his Zuma Deluxe scores + ban 1 year


I’m waiting for your and their comments...


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You will have to mention this at cyberscore where blitzphoenix also has records on the game

La première chose qui m'avait frappé sur ce jeu était un Gap Shots de 73 fait par filipjack qui me semblait peut probable à réaliser vu qu'on ne peut pas dans ce jeu cumuler nos statistiques comme c'est le cas sur Zuma's Revenge sur DS. Dans un premier temps, je ne pouvais pas croire cela si Zephyraz ne m'avait pas parlé de ça plutôt. Mais, tout ne s'arrête pas là.

Pas plus tard que la semaine dernière, durant la demi-finale contre Zephyraz, Filipjack2000 nous sort un Gap Shots de 129 fait en moins de 5 minutes. Ce qui est tout fait irréaliste. Je vous explique pourquoi :

Si nous comparons avec Zuma's Revenge, dans le même jeu similaire, essayer d'au moins placer un trou et me faire 20 Gaps Shots en 2 minutes. Vous allez me dire, "Ce n'est pas possible", mais pourtant je l'ai réalisé en moins de 3 minutes au niveau 49 du mode aventure de mon jeu DS :

http://www.video-games-records.com/zuma-s-revenge-adventure-gap-shots-level-49-record-r261605.html

Je l'avais pas plus tard que mardi matin. Imaginez ceux qui sont capables d'en obtenir 40 en un coup sans mourir. Toutefois exceptionnel! Calculer la moyenne en minute ce que j'ai pu réalisé. Disons 28 diviser par 2 minutes et demi, cela nous donne environ 11 Gap Shot par minute. Si on compare avec un Gap Shots de 112 de Zephyraz  fait en 20 mintues (si ma mémoire est bonne) et 129 pour FilipJack2000 en 4 minutes 40 précisément. Vous ne voyez pas un déséquilibre entre les deux records réalisés. Le temps pour réaliser 129 Gap Shots (si je pouvais retrouver le niveau où cela a été fait) prend 5 moins de temps qu'à l'habituel. Ce qui est irréaliste. Moi, je peux atteindre 80 Gap Shots, mais cela va me prendre au moins 3 vies. La chance diffère à chaque tu joues. Cela ne dépend pas seulement de la technique. Ça dépend de plusieurs facteurs. Le temps que cela te prend pour avoir le "Zuma Boost" (dont j'ignore si il existe dans Zuma Deluxe) : Gap Shots fait rapidement de façon successive, des répétitions de 4 et 5 Max Combos ou la chance les balles pour mettre plusieurs Max Chains en moins d'une minute. Si nous faisons le décompte, FilipJack fait facilement 25 Gap Shots par minute ce qui est pratiquement improbable vu que tu dois être assez rapide pour tirer ta deuxième dans le trou où tu veux envoyer la deuxième couleur pour qu'elle éclate avec d'autres balles alignées de la même couleur. C'est très facile de manquer un Gap Shots lorsque tu veux en réaliser tout comme pour ramasser des pièces (pour moi des fruits). La seule possibilité dans tout ça est de changer radicalement les paramètres du jeu pour en faciliter la pratique. Ce qui est selon moi de tricherie puisque l'on touche à une partie sensible du jeu qui peut tout faire la différence entre le bon et le mauvais.

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The first thing that struck me about this game was a 73 Gap Shots done by filipjack that seemed unlikely to achieve since we can not in this game to earn our statistics as is the case on Zuma's Revenge DS. At first, I could not believe it if Zephyraz not told me about it instead. But it does not stop there.

No later than last week, during the semi-final against Zephyraz, Filipjack2000 us out a Gap Shots 129 in less than 5 minutes. This is unrealistic. Let me explain why:

If we compare with Zuma's Revenge, the same like in the game, try to at least put a hole and make me 20 Shots Gaps in 2 minutes. You tell me, "It is not possible", yet I realized in less than 3 minutes at 49 adventure mode my DS game:

http://www.video-games-records.com/zuma-s-revenge-adventure-gap-shots-level-49-record-r261605.html

I had not later than Tuesday morning. Imagine those who are able to get 40 in one shot without dying. However exceptional! Calculate the average minute that I have achieved. Say 28 divide by 2 and a half minutes, that gives us about 11 Gap Shot by minute. If we compare with Gap Shots 112 of Zephyraz done in 20 mintues (if memory serves) and 129 for 4 minutes 40 FilipJack2000 precisely. You do not see an imbalance between the two records made. The time to achieve 129 Gap Shots (if I could find the level at which it was done) takes 5 less time than usual. Which is unrealistic. I can reach 80 Gap Shots, but it will take me at least three lives. Lucky you play differs in each. This not only depends on the technique. It depends on several factors. The time it takes you to get the "Zuma Boost" (which I do not know if it exists in Zuma Deluxe): Gap Shots done quickly in succession, repeats 4 and 5 Max Combos or the chance to put several bullets max Chains in under a minute. If we count, FilipJack easily done 25 Gap Shots per minute which is almost unlikely because you have to be fast enough to make your second in the hole where you want to send it to the second color bursts with other balls aligned in the same color. It's very easy to miss a Gap Shots when you want to make as to pick up the coins (for me fruit). The only possibility in all this is to radically change the game settings to facilitate practice. What I think is cheating since it touches on a sensitive part of the game that can do all the difference between good and bad.

After such a rabid, dirty, low attack coming from one of the oldest players on the VGR, I hope I would be given the opportunity to defend myself and demolish those senseless accusations the same way I demolished more than 600 (mostly weak to mediocre) records belonging to Zephyraz !

I am really disapointed in you, Lucario for jumping to conclusions so easily. In the first place, you have Zuma's Revenge in DS, and between PC and DS there is a HUGE difference !!!
Not to mention that Zuma Deluxe is a totally different game.
The reason that Zephyraz made 112 in 20 minutes is that he -beside being slow- doing HUNDREDS OF COMBOS (which take more than 8 minutes), coins (which take aprox. 2-3 minutes) and max combo and max chain at the same time, while I concentrate on one goal, in this case, gaps.
The reason that I could get so many gaps shots in only 4 minutes it's because I use a very good strategy to obtain the maximum results.
If is necessary, I will explain farther.

P.S.: Unlike Zuma's Revenge (DS) in Zuma Deluxe (PC) the routes are longer, which is very advantageous to the players for obtaining more gaps.
Of course, this requires a very good understanding of the complexities of the game, which is not shown by Zephyraz.

First, thanks for your quick answer Filip.
I hoped that you reacted also quicker when I asked you explanations, many times by MP, but you did not, that's one of the reasons why you forced me to accuse you, sorry.
Of course, you have the opportunity to defend you, but it will be difficult due to your hundreds of strange records.

You can't say that my 600 records you "demolished" were "weak to mediocre", because remember that there was at least 10 to 30 or 50 people behind these records, it is not at all respectful for them ! You are too agressive in your terms, already...

I took precautions for these accusations: I wrote you many times, I adverted staff members, and I checked some of your strange scores during last 6 months, so please consider this not as a "rabid, dirty, low attack", but as serious as possible, thanks.

I know the strategies to obtain records. Remember that I get around 1500 plats before you, and in front of many players who don't know the strategies, or don't have time to do them when they know.

Please explain us how you can make this difference of time for the same kind of record (if you can).
As you know, there is strategies in different categories.
I have questions for lots of your records, it will depend on you and on your answers, if you want that I continue detailed accusations or not...

Some would like to have clear and precise answers. When asked how you made impressive records that seem suspicious to him, it would be nice to be precise. For Zephyraz himself had asked me how I was doing over 600 combos in 2 minutes on my game. I told him the story of the *replanted* life whenever you die a on checkpoint. I even made a video to prove it.

So I do not see why you want to dodge the question, because your scores are more than doubtful.

I will try (as I promised) to demolish the "so called evidence" case by case. It will takes some time and it will cost me a lot of medals, but ... what's the difference?! ... since you intend to wipe out all I achieved, spending a lot of time and effort during the last year, based on very weak, biased evidence coming from someone who is personally interested to remove all real competition from this game, no matter how!

Please look at my first evidence given to Lucario (who is a clear Zephiraz's supporter and personal lawyer) : file:///C:/Users/Asus/Desktop/drac.jpg

In this picture, I showed you the strategy: You need to make a huge hole leaving 1-2-3 balls near the mouth, and then you will be able to make a lot of gaps in a very short time...especially using "the double-click strategy" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPr_8iQM5Ho&list=UUkJ_BV6wLQoKG9sZdBJ6BLw at 0:45) which cannot be applied to your game.

P.S.: Please look at the high score which is much higher than mine! So I have a question:" Is he a cheater as well ? "

If you play so slowly (I'm watching your video), I never cease to be amazed by your records

Dear Wiild,

That video isn't mine. I've just used it as an example.

I am not slow. I am very fast and you can see this from my records (best time).

Anyway, I will explain tomorrow the trick for getting a good time.

P.S.: I don't believe that the video's owner is slow. He just want to make a good chain (x44) for a very good  score...and if you can see, he got 36110 (which is appreciable) and also the best high score in this game.

You're fast ? Ok Guy, so just try to show us how you make your records... It's too slow for me.

To be a little more precise: we want a video from YOU making a score near one you have already sent.

Seriously, it seems basic. We really need a video he shows us beyond this talent. For gaps, 15, is very little. I explain the evil 129 in 4:40. For double clicks, you have to be pretty quick. I do it with my pencil on my 3DS. For me, it does not prove much this referential video.

I do feel that discussions of this nature should only feature:
The accuser(zephyraz)
The accused(filipjack)
An admin(vivien)
And people who have posted records on the game. It is impossible to have a constructive discussion without those parameters

FilipJack,  good point for you if you will try to explain, after I asked you this more than 6 months ago…

I don’t understand why you said that it will cost you lot of medals. If you think that to reveal your strategy will reduce your medals, there is already people who know them, but don’t have time/luck/skill to do them. No, here the problem is bigger than the strategies. I am also ready to loose lot of medals, but for good reasons, and not against a cheat, that you need to defend yourself.
If you made 1 year effort in this game, I started this game in December 2011… Now, please spend time to detail, category by category, how can you obtain such scores.

My accusations are stronger than it seems now.
I admit that I am directly interested if your records are removed. But as a controller, and as a very good expert of this game, I try to make more clear the games that I know first, of course, and with a responsible and objective attitude. It was always the same for others cases, accusations always come from another player of the game, how can it be better ?  

Don’t speak about Lucario please. He’s another controller by the way.
I can’t see your picture, sorry !
Whatever it shows, I know how to create gaps, you don’t learned me (us ?)something.
For the video you showed, it’s again the same: it didn’t explain how you can obtain this time or speed differences, sorry.
Moreover, this video for Adventure 13-1 is more or less close to your own score, so there is no explanation here…
If the guy made this score, it because he finally got an extra-bonus (2.2 M points) for 43 lifes remaining…  Be happy that I mention this detail, because you are the accused person who must provide this kind of thing (at least…)

Your weak (or diversion ?) arguments are still not detailed as I require. I’m waiting more !
Please consider this as an opportunity to defend your scores and yourself. Take it, or leave it.
Explain us by words and/or by video, because if you are able to make such score so quick, it will not require efforts from you.
In the tournament, you posted many records just 1 or 2 hours after mines. (do you need detailed proofs ?) Now, you explained almost nothing, around 100 hours after your accusation.
More you wait, worse it is.

After such a long. patient wait, now you start to count the hours? Why? Is it maybe because you do not want to give me a fair chance to defend myself? Just like everybody else I have the right to take some time off. I'm very busy this weak, but I will try to clear one accusation at a time.
The problem is that you are attacking continuosly, mixing up things, misleading, confusing facts, using half-truths.

Instead of rambling, it would not be time to take action immediately? Everyone has the right to defend themselves if accused of some conch way of cheating. Generally, it takes two weeks. If the complainant is not satisfied, you know what awaits you.

Someone who does not take the time to answer a simple message for 6 months, it's hiding something. You can believe what you want, it does not help the situation. I do not know how it works for the lives of Zuma Deluxe. But the game is much the same elsewhere with similar rules.

Personally, as time progresses, the accused is sinking. Nobody says here that you do not have the right to defend yourself. The person you are cheating acusant wants clear answers to your questions. What you have demonstrated is currently not Inquite that Zephyraz research. I am someone who likes to play with statistics. Cheers, it plays 10 times better than the others. I know what I mean when I see 129 Gaps actually only 4m40 the town of 24m40.

In short, time is not a joke. We attentions a better example of your talents.

I sent a video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvwgMAwyea8&feature=youtu.be ). I know that one is not enough, so I'll send more (from different categories as well), a little later, I'm still too busy now.

I started this topic more than 2 months ago, and asked for videos since April 2014.
Fore sure, I'm still not satisfied with not detailed, weak or absence of answers.
I think I was enough tolerant with them.

Please reconsider this:
Since 20 November 2014, I recommend:
- for BlitzPhoenix98: deletion of all his Zuma Deluxe scores + ban 6 months
- for FilipJack2000:  deletion of all his Zuma Deluxe scores + ban 1 year

At least, FilipJack answered, so maybe the ban can be reduced for him, I wait for Admins. propositions.

zephyraz :

When you look at his proofs, it was clear that he used a cheat.

Could you explain this in more detail? If it's not suitable to be posted openly in this topic, could you PM it to a Cyberscore admin? STL has an account here if that's more convenient for you, thanks.